Duvduv

OK, Outhouse. You aren't interested in the conceptual issues we are dealing with. You win. Forget about Max Weber.

outhouse

Max :facepalm:


Yes we should all use someone who did his work before 1920 when the best archeological work was even done.

I didn't forget anything.


You have not provided anything at all in your favor.

There is nothing to win here at all. Its a matter of what was and was not. And what is clearly mythology in theology.

Duvduv

I said you win with tongue in cheek. The fact is you have asserted your faith in the interpretations proffered by academics despite the lack of definitive or convincing evidence.

steve_bnk

I have just learned something.

All Abrahamic theists use the same attacks, and end up saying or proving nothing.

Jews, Christians, Muslims...all thee same diversionary arguments. Non denominational deists as well.

The last few weeks have been an education.

Duvduv

OK, so that's why you don't address my questions about archeology?

outhouse

Your lost here.

You also argue with Israels best and brightest archeologist

http://www.concentric.net/~Worgar/exodus.htm

Recently, the archeologists Israel Finkelstein (Tel Aviv University) and Neil Asher Silberman (director of historical interpretation, Ename Center for Public Archeology and Heritage Presentation, Belgium) summarized the archeological findings and latest corrections regarding the historical origins of the Jewish nation. In their words, "The process that we describe here is, in fact, the opposite of what we have in the Bible: the emergence of early Israel was an outcome of the collapse of the Canaanite culture, not its cause. And most of the Israelites did not come from outside Canaan - they emerged from within it. There was no mass exodus from Egypt. There was no violent conquest of Canaan" (3).

Finkelstein and Silberman point out that there is still no evidence for the existence of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Lot, Moses, and Joshua. There is no evidence that Jewish people existed as an identified people that were enslaved in Egypt. There is no evidence that over 600,000 men (plus women and children - the number could have been over a million) had an exodus from Egypt and wandered in the desert for 40 years. According to the Bible, 38 of these 40 years were actually spent encamped at Kadesh-barnea. This area has been turned upside down for decades, looking for even a tiny piece of pottery from this supposed time. It is not likely that this many people would have lived here this long and not left archeological evidence.

J-D

You are confusing two distinct concepts. 'Descendant' and 'inheritor' are not synonyms.It's just as thick as the concept of 'historical right'. Obviously if the concept of 'historical right' is not valid then it doesn't apply to anybody.

steve_bnk

My quid-pro-quo to you was put forth on the Exodus thread. My experience over the last few weeks on the gods forum and with you would say to me to engage with you will invariably go in circle regardless of how I respond.

Minimalist

Like I said, elsewhere. Put that damn bible down and learn something.

http://www.abebooks.com/978965221007...9652210072/plp

Duvduv

Personal insults are not approved of on this Forum. And what you call hard evidence is actually interpretation of a finding. Big difference. It's not DNA or fingerprints in a court room.