Clouseau

But you have not given any reason to explain how it is I wrote 'rubbish'; not one word. Which does not overwhelm with confidence that you are not writing rubbish instead.

My sources are the official sources for each religion.

Roger Pearse

I'm not sure that I understand. To call Patriarch Raphael a 'patriarch' is propaganda? When that is his official title? To call the head of a church a 'churchman' is propaganda? When that is his paid job? Is this really what you mean?

Please clarify.

All the best,

Roger Pearse

Sauron

Ah. You speak Arabic.

What's your opinion on the question of maghluq vs. ghayr maghluq?

Full citations, please.

Clouseau

Along with many others, I can argue with Arab-speaking Muslims in English using English translations, without Muslims finding defect on the basis of translation. Of course, there are many who call themselves Muslims who do not speak Arabic, so if knowledge of Arabic is essential for understanding of Islam, they may be deceiving themselves.

Sauron

Ah. You do not, in fact, gather your information from the original sources.
How totally....expected.

As for your arguing skills, so far I'm underwhelmed.

Uh, wrong. Such individuals almost always admit that their understanding is imperfect, and are among the first to admit that it would be vastly increased by being able to read the Quran in Arabic.

Your attempt to recover from your sweeping generalization is not working.

Now back to the question that you hoped I would forget: what is your opinion of maghluq vs. ghayr maghluq? And what are your citations that support your position?

Chris Weimer

*sigh*

another one to the ignore list. they come in droves, don't they. :banghead:

Clouseau

Vastly, yes. Yet they are admitted as Muslims.

Sauron

Indicating that your parallel claim about being able to argue effectively from translations is likewise bogus. Thank you for indicting your own claim.

And to which you have provided no contrary argument.

Third time: back to the question that you hoped I would forget: what is your opinion of maghluq vs. ghayr maghluq? And what are your citations that support your position?

Clouseau

What wondrous logic.

Chili

Oriental indeed but would that not make them Jewish protestants without a testament of their own? Catholics have the NT which is an improvement of the OT that they recognize as the foundation of the NT. That is how Catholics become the "grafted branches" having a symbiotic relationship with Judaism that is definately not Christian.