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Old 06-16-2007, 08:18 AM   #11
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Islam is just an oriental form of Catholicism, having similar theology and methods
Rubbish. I have learned much about Catholicism by reading Catholic literature and talking at great length with Catholics, and I have learned about Islam by reading the Quran and by talking with Muslims. There are similarities, but they could hardly be more trivial.

I have told you where I got my information about Catholicism and Islam.
But you have not given any reason to explain how it is I wrote 'rubbish'; not one word. Which does not overwhelm with confidence that you are not writing rubbish instead.

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Would you please tell us what is the source of your information about those two religions?
My sources are the official sources for each religion.
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Which part of describing the other person as a Patriarch... a churchman... do you regard as non-factual?
Both parts.
I'm not sure that I understand. To call Patriarch Raphael a 'patriarch' is propaganda? When that is his official title? To call the head of a church a 'churchman' is propaganda? When that is his paid job? Is this really what you mean?

Please clarify.

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Ah. You speak Arabic.

What's your opinion on the question of maghluq vs. ghayr maghluq?

Full citations, please.
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Ah. You speak Arabic.
Along with many others, I can argue with Arab-speaking Muslims in English using English translations, without Muslims finding defect on the basis of translation. Of course, there are many who call themselves Muslims who do not speak Arabic, so if knowledge of Arabic is essential for understanding of Islam, they may be deceiving themselves.
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Old 06-18-2007, 01:21 AM   #15
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Along with many others, I can argue with Arab-speaking Muslims in English using English translations,
Ah. You do not, in fact, gather your information from the original sources.
How totally....expected.

As for your arguing skills, so far I'm underwhelmed.

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Of course, there are many who call themselves Muslims who do not speak Arabic, so if knowledge of Arabic is essential for understanding of Islam, they may be deceiving themselves.
Uh, wrong. Such individuals almost always admit that their understanding is imperfect, and are among the first to admit that it would be vastly increased by being able to read the Quran in Arabic.

Your attempt to recover from your sweeping generalization is not working.

Now back to the question that you hoped I would forget: what is your opinion of maghluq vs. ghayr maghluq? And what are your citations that support your position?
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*sigh*

another one to the ignore list. they come in droves, don't they. :banghead:
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Uh, wrong. Such individuals almost always admit that their understanding is imperfect, and are among the first to admit that it would be vastly increased by being able to read the Quran in Arabic.
Vastly, yes. Yet they are admitted as Muslims.
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Uh, wrong. Such individuals almost always admit that their understanding is imperfect, and are among the first to admit that it would be vastly increased by being able to read the Quran in Arabic.
Vastly, yes.
Indicating that your parallel claim about being able to argue effectively from translations is likewise bogus. Thank you for indicting your own claim.

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Yet they are admitted as Muslims.
And to which you have provided no contrary argument.

Third time: back to the question that you hoped I would forget: what is your opinion of maghluq vs. ghayr maghluq? And what are your citations that support your position?
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Vastly, yes.
Indicating that your parallel claim about being able to argue effectively from translations is likewise bogus.
What wondrous logic.
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How would polytheism been able to measure up to Islam?
There would have been no Islam if there had been no Christianity. Islam is just an oriental form of Catholicism, having similar theology and methods that oppose Christianity. That's why a pope kissed a Koran.
Oriental indeed but would that not make them Jewish protestants without a testament of their own? Catholics have the NT which is an improvement of the OT that they recognize as the foundation of the NT. That is how Catholics become the "grafted branches" having a symbiotic relationship with Judaism that is definately not Christian.
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