semiopen

This has come up before of course.

Maybe there is a semantic issue here,

aren't the domesticated caravan camels in Genesis an error?

No Contradictions?

http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...istencies.html

Some of these might be arguable but not all of them.

Is this sematics also, like you haven't found any as opposed to someone else?

IBelieveInHymn

μισέω = miseō Phonetic Spelling mis-eh'-o

jakejonesiv

I don't get it. Should we hate our families or love and honor them? What kind of family values is that? Should we hate unborn fetuses too, or just "love them less"? That is sick.

graymouser

There was a verse in the Gospels referring to beams and planks - I suggest you take its advice in this case.

Can you link to the commentary that tells us this? Specifics, with citations of original sources; or you can provide original sources from a scholar (not a Christian preacher or apologist) who documents this.

The Rachel / Leah comparison is interesting, because it's the one place in the LXX where your back-translations match, but it hardly opens up a new side to misew (μισεω, with an omega, not an omicron, transliterated because it's a pain to type in Greek letters). The word means hate or despise - given the context, "despise" is a more proper translation since it's referring to a temporary antipathy based on the wife's barrenness. Reading it in context, one gets the impression not that misew was used because it really means "love less than" but in order to show the depth of the husband's anger and disapproval toward his wife. (Ahh, patriarchy.) Moreover, it is not useful as a reading for Lk. 14:26 because we do not have the same literary construction in place. In Gen. 29:30-31, we are told that Jacob loves Rachel more, and then contrasted with the idea that Rachel was despised or hated. Note that this does not give the word a totally alternate meaning as the Hebrew word does mean to hate - it is a form contrasting the love for Rachel with the spite for Leah. In no sense does the word "hate" here really have the mild sense of "love less than," it is being used for the sharp difference.

What's been revealing in your attempts to gloss some difficult Bible verses is that you do not read with any dynamics. In Lk. 14:26, the author could have written "you must love your father less than God." But whoever it was, he didn't. He wrote hate - and not in the sense of Gen. 29:31, where it is at least in the context of having loved someone else more. Your analysis of the use of Greek words is utterly devoid of the idea that people, when writing, choose words not because of some second or third dictionary meaning that they have but because they want to make a specific impact. Here, there is no contrast between love and hate - loving God is not mentioned, only following Christ - so there is not a referent for "love X less than Y." There is no Y here.

badger3k

I wonder what IBelieve thinks of The Skeptical Review (http://www.theskepticalreview.com/). I have the pdf of the print copy, and once sat through and read the entire 1500 pages. His arguments sure shot holes in the inerrantists (among them the notorious JP Holding). I am not sure you can get the pdf online anymore, but if anyone is interested let me know and I can send it or upload it - I believe that is ok to do. I may have to ask.

Toto

The discussion on the plagues of Egypt has been split off here

spin

Utter rubbish. "mis-eh'-o" is a hokey indication of how an English speaking dummy should pronounce the word. The Greek μισέω is basically phonetic. That is transcribed into Latin miseō. The ō is a Latin substitute for ω and is merely an indication of a long o. The usual transcription for internet because people don't have access to the ō as a Latin alphabet substitute is w. On internet you transcribe μισέω as misew. miseo is wrong. The hokey "mis-eh'-o" is a guide for you to say the word.

Here's a transcription table:



Note: the last letter (omega) uses a W.

You should stop telling the world that you are totally ignorant about these things. (And learn a little.)


spin

IBelieveInHymn

Let me explain. Jesus said love your family, but put God above them.

Dark Virtue

Does this rank up there with selling all of your possessions to follow Christ?

Sai

So we have here a direct quote, straight from jesus, spoken in English.

"Love your family, but put god above them"

you are sure about that?