EssEff

I also suspect the Roman soldiers in charge could have been complicit. They have to have had opinions about their victims. Wouldn't they feel that someone being convicted for being a religious nutter deserved less punishment than someone convicted for theft or murder? If I were a Roman soldier I'd go along with a plan to fake the death and pass the body along to the guy's pals.

...assuming that JC actually existed and that he was actually crucified and actually got poked by a spear and actually got put into a tomb and actually appeared to his followers of course.

wallflower1996

You clearly have a kind heart, but I don't know if the average Roman soldier was that sensitive!

I think he was probably near death and was thought to be either dead or dying.

Amaleq13

It doesn't have to have been "botched". Josephus tells us that, on at least one occasion, one man among three crucified survived the ordeal.

Gnomelord

We could also spring up a discussion as to whether or not the "resurrection" is even worth talking about. For instance, some scholars contend that the texts pertaining to his resurrection were falsified at a later date. For instance, Mark 16 has a different narrative structure and literary voice than the remainder of the book, indicating it may have been written by a different author.

What I mean to say is we can go back and forth speculating, but my original point still stands. Anything better than conjecture on the cause of death of a man who lived thousands of years ago, when you lack any kind of forensic evidence, and have nothing but one book to rely upon, will be nigh-unto impossible to obtain.

~M~

And, what does your explanation say about jesus' going through walls and so forth?

~M~

he was also rescued. there is no evidence that supports a rescue for JC.

~M~

I fail to see how this is an example of why the resurrection is not even worth talking about.

~M~

Assuming they were there, it would have been a deed that would likely, if caught, have meant their own deaths. you have presented no evidence that the soldiers would have likely had thought this besides what strikes me as your own ethical imperatives.

Amaleq13

Not that I know of, no. I was only addressing the notion that the only way Jesus could survive was by the Romans botching the execution.

wallflower1996

Nothing, as I wasn't addressing that.