Clivedurdle

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00zbtmr

Apollo?

sotto voce

It is not for nothing that the period after the fall of Rome until the Renaissance has ever since been called dark. Presumably, these jumped up, politically inspired 'scholars' who disagree are going to rename the Renaissance, too? Or have they not had the bare wit to think things through?

Or have they simply not finished their education, yet?

mountainman

Well there is certainly the image under the Vatican that is described as Apollo by some and Jesus by others.


The depictions of Christ in the 4th century were emperor centric with the exception of those who revered the "Good (CHRESTOS) Shepherd".




This is the mosaic from the British Museum.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinton_St_Mary_Mosaic

It is touted as being a mosaic of Jesus but it looks like a dead ringer for the Emperor Constantine with his distinctive "Bullneck".




And the way I see these "Dark Ages" is in the suppression of the Greek intellectual tradition. The light of knowledge - mathematics, geometry, astronomy, science, medicine, literature, philosophy .... - this light was switched off by the Christian regime. The rise of faith and the fall of reason according to Charles Freeman. The light commenced to return with the rediscovery of all these elements of the Greek intellectual tradition, by means of the preservation of this knowledge by the Islamic culture.

sotto voce

:devil1:

mountainman

The Closing Of The Western Mind: The Rise of Faith and the Fall of Reason (or via: amazon.co.uk)

Chili

Well I am not sure about that Pete, but the Greeks were also looking for a son in their parousia event, as the final ousia in its own being of 'the man as the man,' yes indeed, much like the 'cowness of Plato's cow' in his "Sophists" here.

So it was just a matter for time as Plato was looking for this man, but all he found was sophists: And in 267D concludes:Bolding is mine.

So Plato was not looking for shining sophistry but for a sophist with a shine on him that would match the halo we put on Christ when he moved to Rome, and his mind has been ours ever since, i.e. the philosophic mind of Christ (and we call her Mary, just in case you wonder).

It is a matter of 'seeing' Pete, and not empty sophistry.

The problem really is, or was, that made the age so dark is that "the thousand year reign" had just begun, and so really the era of 'heaven on earth' itself was in its infancy, . . . ands now the real question is: seeing what? with no relevant history in its own past.

So now you can say that the dark age is called dark only because it held a promise to unfold that makes heaven worth its while (instead of just Essenes gallivanting about in their own Elysian field), since knowledge is and will accumilate to built higher highs in all directions, i.e. "you will do greater things."* Remember also Nathanael just came tumbling down a fig tree with no specific lineage classified to say that he really did not belong as Joseph's brother James was claimed in Matthew, and in Luke, the real Jesus pegged his own lineage right back to God.

The upshot here is that Rome has a copyright on heaven and that was something Emperor Constantine wanted to make known . . . and paved all roads in truth to Rome, that will actually make people walk away from their gold like the magi did already then (even if dragging, kicking, screaming or otherwise, so I suppose).

* A re-enter is required here wherein logos renews itself and thus will do greater things. So the actualization is neologically and must increase, simply because that is what par-ousia entails wherein the ousia's are current, as the shepherds were to Joseph, and they looked in and understood.

Let me add that to say that "logos renews itself" may be a difficult concept to grasp. But if you go to Gen.1 you will read that truth (light) is prior to man.

Then consider that we as humans are temporal and borrow our life from the mythology that itself is eternal and so is wherein we can have eternal life, it must also be true that we will be the continuity of infinity now with a son made manifest to identify man as both Lord God and God (and no longer 'the God of Abraham etc.), which then in turn is also why Plato was looking for a son to deserve that name (to be his equal, I suppose).


http://www.roangelo.net/logwitt/sophist.html

Jaybees

We can't deny that there were glimmers of rational expressions occurring during those murky times, like a Xtian kid at night with a flashlight under the blankets reading Ingersol. But that age was definitely dark.

sotto voce

Glimmers, yes, quickly extinguished by the antichrist 'church'. The fact is that in a thousand years Europe produced hardly anything constructive, philosophically or materially, that went to make modern civilisation. The British Isles in 900 CE and later was in worse condition than when the Romans left, and that was bad enough. The whole continent actually went into a chronically regressed condition, bearing levels of ignorance and superstition, a common mindset, that modern minds of non-historians find hard to grasp. This is unique in the history of the world, unprecedented, unrepeated. Societies that hung garlic on doors to keep out demons could do nothing constructive.

Clivedurdle

Did anyone see the documentary I referenced?

sotto voce

"Does anyone watch the BBC?"