VoxRat

at the risk of revealing my low-brow taste* in humor - is anyone else reminded of this week's South Park episode?

*Actually, I only watch to see to what depths cultural mores have slipped.

Faid

Dave, what are you talking about? Many people have responded to your question in the previous pages. No, they do not think that Champollion made a mistake, and they explain why.

Why don't YOU address THEIR posts?

VoxRat

Ah! a lot like Voldemort!

Pappy Jack

Because YEC field of vision is notoriously restricted by the theological requirement to wear Creo Blinkers™? :devil1:

ericmurphy

This is your idea of "slaying dragons," Dave? Asking a question about whether an Egyptologist from the early 19th century was wrong about something, when any possible error would have long since been corrected by more recent work? Asking a question that's been answered at least twice, but still pretending it hasn't been answered?

Those dragons are still looking pretty fit and ready for battle, Dave.

spin

Rohl's case is that the Hebrew Shishak is actually derived from "Sesu" the nickname of Ramses II (naturally the Hebrews would have access to the nickname and prefer it to the official throne name).


spin

jules?

Hi dave i thought you had gone! but in support, well contradiction of some of the other assertations, i would agre that Judea was influensed by it's powerful neighbours.
In the first instance Herodotus mentions the choosing of sacrificial bulls which bears a remarkable similarity to Jewish practise. He also mentions that Egyptian priests would shave their bodies, practised purification rituals, and that a priest would be soley admitted into the holy of holies and all of these descriptions are similar to Jewish Temple practise. Egyptians were also the only other local group to practise circumcision [unknown to the Cainnanite population]. Solomon's temple [although tiny in comparison] is of similar proportions to Egyptian temples, complete with two columns, a small holy of holies, and court yards, particularly RamsesIII, which also has its own depictions of an Ark, the house of god, complete with rods to carry it in procession, adorned with winged cherabin [Maat]. Even moses' name derives from 'child of' i.e. Ra-Moses. So IMHO Judea was influenced by Egypt. As for dates, the simple truth is that Judea does not become established until the 10th century. [check Finklestein] The inland regions were just too dry and inhospitable prior to the 11th century, climate change [wet weather marked by increased juniper growth in Turkey, staligtite growth etc] allowed for Jerusalem, prior to 11th century a citidel for cannaninte administration, to become a city.

Undoubtably Judea carved a niche in an hostile environment, surrounded as they were by the big players post New Kingdom, Delta Libyan Kings were adopting egyptian lifestyles, coastal cities decimated by war and climate change were rebuilding, Philistines had established new cities and even the tribe of Dan had reoccupied Cannanite lands in the north that were to become the more powerful nation of Israel. As for myth the Illiad is refelective of history to a point, Troy is where it is said to be, it was destroyed around the 11th-10th century and a force mentioned were Dannans, aka tribe of Dan and that is about it. I am sure you would say that Apollo's arrow's that caused so much destruction are literary license and not really a vengeful sky god's reign of plague. Exodus is a myth, it is quite a good one, bad guys , good guys and even a plot and just perhaps their is an element of truth. a slither of oral history that gives a sense of tradition, place and history.

It is interesting to pick some of the strands a part, it is a pleasure to walk in the footsteps of the Pharoahs, to drink tea in the desert, to enjoy the fleeting friendship of strangers in a foreign land. In a strange way it is important that my roots are European, and that my heritage stretches back in time to Greece and the Illiad. It represents the dawn of culture in a dark-age that was to eventually illuminate the world. even though the Illiad is about feeble humans, ego, vain, aggrasive [except Paris perhaps] the birth of enlightenment gives me light in a universe of darkness. Ultimatly if Troy never existed i would not be any worse off, i did have a nice holiday there. I ran up the beach reading the Illiad to my 10year old son, we fought at the city walls. we pretended to see a great fleet of sailing vessals approaching the shore. We closed our eyes and imagined a great wooden horse. We imagined and I was enriched.

You have courage to step into the lion's den but personally if i had such a cool plane [nice] i know what i would spend my time doing. seeya Dave

Johnny Skeptic

Dave, as I told you before, you won't get anywhere unless you can reasonably prove that the Ten Plagues occurred. If they did not occur, then all that there is to discuss is some secular history, and there is nothing at all odd about ancient people writing about secular events that happened in their lives. The same goes for the secular events in the book of Acts. There is a good deal of ancient religious and non-religious literature that mixes actual events with myths and lies.

Magdlyn

And that whole parting of the Red Sea thing, as well, I'd think? Evidence for that is nil.

-Jay-

Especially that last one. About the firstborns. And was there an age cutoff? Pharaoh should've been a firstborn, and he didn't die.

regards,

NinJay