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Old 04-11-2013, 11:59 AM   #11
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But you have to admit that there are worse insults than calling someone 'good.' It's very odd.
It is a rather mild rebuke. Not don't call me good but why do you call me good ?

It could maybe be paraphrased are you using words loosely and inaccurately to flatter me or do you really mean what you are saying ?

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what's wrong with being called good? surely jesus is good? calling him an instructor can't be thr issue either, can it?
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what's wrong with being called good? surely jesus is good? calling him an instructor can't be thr issue either, can it?
I think Jesus's response is possibly a riddle rather than an unambiguous rebuke.
See A Markan Riddle

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what's wrong with being called good? surely jesus is good? calling him an instructor can't be thr issue either, can it?
I think Jesus's response is possibly a riddle rather than an unambiguous rebuke.
See A Markan Riddle

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Thanks Andrew, that's very interesting.
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Yes I second that. You must have changed your answer to my original question because I didn't see this link. Fascinating article.

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Because the Marcan Jesus was just like any other humble Jew, denying his own goodness and attributing all goodness to God alone.
But Jesus is God and the Gospel of Mark begins without any reference to a human birth. It doesn't make sense.
Just the opposite.

It doesnt state a miraculous birth like the fiction of the others.
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But the gospel begins suddenly. It doesn't tell us who Jesus is. It's very odd.
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About Andrew's link. A comment for a Saturday afternoon. Isn't odd that outside a few highly educated Christians like Andrew, it is mostly atheists and agnostics who bother to try and sort out the profound depths of the gospel. The Christians I know just think its a story about Jesus and that's it. A great man who everyone knew was special. They don't appreciate the genius of Mark. They can't fathom that the medium is the message here or at least a massive part of the message.
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But the gospel begins suddenly. It doesn't tell us who Jesus is. It's very odd.

Agreed, but that doesnt mean we fill it in with imagination. We see the later authors did just that, I wont make their mistake since im trying to focus on the historical side more so then the mythology.


I think Gmark left it out because he didnt know how, why or where Jesus was really born. I think he had his hands full molding the mythology around the OT and reality of Judaism crumbling around him. Writing with a hellenistic style of mythology and typical Hellenistic story telling. I think he tried the best he could to stay in certain guidelines for what he thought was the most plausible.
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I find the link uninteresting. Wow. Is the emphasis on "why" or "me" in "Why do you call me good?" Let's explore both possibilities and write volumes of analysis. And as it turns out, NONE of it was intended by the author who just wrote a fucking story down he heard from others about Jesus.

Sometimes I can't help but think that much of Biblical scholarship is nothing but complete bullshit.

Sometimes I think of how amused the authors of the Bible or the Quran would be if they read all the shit that "scholars" find between the lines of their texts, when there's likely nothing between the lines.
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