Duvduv

.....or Acts was composed by someone who did not (yet) know about the epistles written in the name of Paul and promoted by the apologists/heresiologists.

This is not based on "imagination" but on an inference and observation comparing the content and context of the epistles with those of Acts.

By the way, do you have any statistics as to how many times these heresiologist books mention the Book of Acts? And are there any citation of verses in Acts or the epistles that do not correspond to those in the canonical version?

I don't think the following comparison goes that far, but notice the difference in the English translation of Origen's quote from 1 Corinthians 2 in Book 3 of Contra Celsum and that from Corinthians directly:

Origen chapter 19:
'We speak wisdom among them that are perfect; yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, who come to nought, but we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory; which none of the princes of this world knew.'"

1 Corinthians 2:
We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7 No, we declare God’s wisdom, a mystery that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 8 None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

aa5874

If it is not imagination why have you not shown the supporting evidence???

You have yet to lay out the evidence and sources for your claims. Surely you can't expect me to argue your position.

My position is that Acts of the Apostles was composed BEFORE the Pauline writings and that the Pauline writer claimed that he was NOT lying because there were stories ALREADY in circulation that contradicted him.

Duvduv

AA, by definition logically determining something based on observation and inference from available material is not based on direct empirical evidence.

aa5874

Hve you ever been a juror?? Have you ever reviewed WRITTEN WITNESS statements??

Have you ever WRITTEN a report of an incident???

How does one determine the veracity of WRITTEN statements???

It is clear that certain WRITTEN statements can be found to be false by empiricism.

The Written statements that Jesus was the Son of a Ghost, that Walked on water, Transfigured and was RAISED from the dead are empirically FALSE.

Duvduv

The bottom line in this is whether these rather different renditions in English reflect differences in the Greek used by the book Contra Celsum and the canonical Greek text, including the fact that the citation in Contra Celsum intentionally leaves off the last few words about crucifixion or whether the version of 1 Corinthians used did not have those words in it. I can't tell because I don't know Greek.

Bingo the Clown-O

Oh the irony. :crying: