Freethought & Rationalism Archive

Toto · 07-19-2007, 01:22 PM

Quote:

In March, he was declared captured. In May, he was declared killed, and his purported corpse was displayed on state-run TV. But on Wednesday, Abu Omar Baghdadi, the supposed leader of an Al Qaeda-affiliated group in Iraq, was declared nonexistent by U.S. military officials, who said he was a fictional character created to give an Iraqi face to a foreign-run terrorist organization.

. . .

There was no way to confirm the military's claim, which comes at a time of heightened pressure on the White House to justify keeping U.S. troops in Iraq. Critics of the Bush administration say the president has been trying to do so by linking Bin Laden's Al Qaeda terrorist network to the conflict in Iraq, even though the organization had no substantial presence here until after the U.S.-led invasion of March 2003.

. . .

Defense Ministry spokesman Mohammed Askari rejected the U.S. assertion, insisting that Baghdadi is real. "Al-Baghdadi is wanted and pursued. We know many things about him, and we even have his picture," Askari said. However, he said he could not release a photograph or additional information because it could jeopardize attempts to capture Baghdadi.

Compare and contrast with 1st c. Palestine.

Amen-Moses · 07-19-2007, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toto

U.S. says Iraqi militant nonexistent

Quote:

In March, he was declared captured. In May, he was declared killed, and his purported corpse was displayed on state-run TV. But on Wednesday, Abu Omar Baghdadi, the supposed leader of an Al Qaeda-affiliated group in Iraq, was declared nonexistent by U.S. military officials, who said he was a fictional character created to give an Iraqi face to a foreign-run terrorist organization.

. . .

There was no way to confirm the military's claim, which comes at a time of heightened pressure on the White House to justify keeping U.S. troops in Iraq. Critics of the Bush administration say the president has been trying to do so by linking Bin Laden's Al Qaeda terrorist network to the conflict in Iraq, even though the organization had no substantial presence here until after the U.S.-led invasion of March 2003.

. . .

Defense Ministry spokesman Mohammed Askari rejected the U.S. assertion, insisting that Baghdadi is real. "Al-Baghdadi is wanted and pursued. We know many things about him, and we even have his picture," Askari said. However, he said he could not release a photograph or additional information because it could jeopardize attempts to capture Baghdadi.

Compare and contrast with 1st c. Palestine.

So are you saying that Al-Baghdadi is currently on his way to exile in France with his family? :Cheeky:

Amen-Moses

khalimirov · 07-19-2007, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toto

U.S. says Iraqi militant nonexistent

Quote:

In March, he was declared captured. In May, he was declared killed, and his purported corpse was displayed on state-run TV. But on Wednesday, Abu Omar Baghdadi, the supposed leader of an Al Qaeda-affiliated group in Iraq, was declared nonexistent by U.S. military officials, who said he was a fictional character created to give an Iraqi face to a foreign-run terrorist organization.

. . .

There was no way to confirm the military's claim, which comes at a time of heightened pressure on the White House to justify keeping U.S. troops in Iraq. Critics of the Bush administration say the president has been trying to do so by linking Bin Laden's Al Qaeda terrorist network to the conflict in Iraq, even though the organization had no substantial presence here until after the U.S.-led invasion of March 2003.

. . .

Defense Ministry spokesman Mohammed Askari rejected the U.S. assertion, insisting that Baghdadi is real. "Al-Baghdadi is wanted and pursued. We know many things about him, and we even have his picture," Askari said. However, he said he could not release a photograph or additional information because it could jeopardize attempts to capture Baghdadi.

Compare and contrast with 1st c. Palestine.

Are you suggesting a parallel between Jesus and Baghdadi or are you suggesting a parallel between Jesus skeptics and US military officials?

DrJim · 07-19-2007, 01:47 PM

I didn't exist once, but I got better.

Kosh · 07-19-2007, 03:54 PM

No, *I* am the dread Pirate Roberts!

Toto · 07-19-2007, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by khalimirov

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toto

U.S. says Iraqi militant nonexistent

Compare and contrast with 1st c. Palestine.

Are you suggesting a parallel between Jesus and Baghdadi or are you suggesting a parallel between Jesus skeptics and US military officials?

Explore the implications of either these parallels.

There is speculation that Jesus was a military leader who was cleaned up and turned into a pacifist. Perhaps Jesus was an imaginary leader who was cleaned up and turned into a pacifist?

Would a faction of a Jewish nationalist movement have invented a military leader for some purpose?

If the US Military are the skeptics, notice that a charge of non-existence does not seem to have fazed anyone in Iraq, either in Al Qaeda or the Iraqi government.

Minimalist · 07-19-2007, 04:18 PM

The Roman Military was not obligated to provide a nightly set of upbeat quotes to Fox News.

No wonder they conquered the world. Fewer distactions.

Jobber · 07-19-2007, 04:25 PM

Who else? Adam, Eve, Cain, Abel, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, and possibly David.

Eldarion Lathria · 07-19-2007, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kosh

No, *I* am the dread Pirate Roberts!

Well I'm Brian, and so is my wife.

Eldarion Lathria

zonmoy · 07-19-2007, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jobber

Who else? Adam, Eve, Cain, Abel, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, and possibly David.

in including david are you also including all those that are claimed to be descended from him, in other words the entire jewish royal line.

07-19-2007, 04:25 PM	#8
Jobber Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Music City Posts: 19	Who else? Who else? Adam, Eve, Cain, Abel, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, and possibly David.

Thread Tools	Search this Thread
Show Printable Version	Search this Thread: Advanced Search

07-19-2007, 01:47 PM	#4
DrJim Regular Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Lethbridge AB Canada Posts: 445	I didn't exist once, but I got better.

07-19-2007, 03:54 PM	#5
Kosh Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Orions Belt Posts: 3,911	No, I am the dread Pirate Roberts!

07-19-2007, 04:18 PM	#7
Minimalist Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,808	The Roman Military was not obligated to provide a nightly set of upbeat quotes to Fox News. No wonder they conquered the world. Fewer distactions.

Freethought & Rationalism Archive

The archives are read only.