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Old 08-22-2004, 09:59 PM   #1
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I found this website, I haven't seen it anywhere posted (it possibly has been though).

http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/D...leContents.htm

The bible suggests such things as god creating evil and manifesting it to that more than one god exists (even 10 comments suggests this, how can you have gods before him if there are no other gods?). The biggest thing however is the morally issues in the bible (why I posted this here), I don’t think anyone can justify that stuff as being moral. There is some pretty wild stuff you never knew existed in the bible. From being blessed and happy for bashing your children into stones to cannibalism to gods possible fecal fetish (to eat it and how to eat it, have it rubbed on your faces, to how to dispose of it... god sure knows his dung). :rolling:

Anyone mind discussing some of these quotes or any believes attempt to explain/justify them as moral?
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I got as far as this:

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Virtually all human societies, before the advent of the northern invaders, practiced female goddess worship. Archeologists have confirmed that the earliest law, government, medicine, agriculture, architecture, metallurgy, wheeled vehicles, ceramics, textiles and written language had initially developed in societies that worshiped the Goddess.
And then I stopped reading.

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i find the Dark bible funny as well as educatative. i sense author is also doing a lot of the exposing in a tongue-in-cheek way, ie., getting all righteously indignant, just like how the literalists are.
it VERY much shows up how christians ONLY use the bits of the Bible that suits them for their propaganda
Piscez...let me ask you. why are you so averse to the idea of 'Goddess'?
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i find the Dark bible funny as well as educatative. i sense author is also doing a lot of the exposing in a tongue-in-cheek way, ie., getting all righteously indignant, just like how the literalists are.
it VERY much shows up how christians ONLY use the bits of the Bible that suits them for their propaganda
Piscez...let me ask you. why are you so averse to the idea of 'Goddess'?
Possibly because there is absolutely no evidence for it

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Very little of the current discussion has anything to do with BlakeEM's original question about the Dark Bible. As a refresher:
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The biggest thing however is the morally issues in the bible (why I posted this here), I don’t think anyone can justify that stuff as being moral. There is some pretty wild stuff you never knew existed in the bible.....
Anyone mind discussing some of these quotes or any believes attempt to explain/justify them as moral?
Please stay on topic or the thread will be split.
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Well, I had a really good post, but then the mod locked it before I could get it in, so here I go again. Many Christians claim that their God is absolute. Absolute means unchanged. But as we can see from the OT to the NT, the character of God changes very much. That would mean that God isn't absolute. Anything not absolute is subject to variable. Anything subject to variable can be logically interpreted, aka apologized for. The apology is that God is absolute in morals, yet he changed after Jesus? Doesn't hold water to me.

Also, the Ancient Hebrews worshipped a pantheon of gods, but Yahweh is supreme. Like Zeus.
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I found this website, I haven't seen it anywhere posted (it possibly has been though).

http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/D...leContents.htm

The bible suggests such things as god creating evil and manifesting it to that more than one god exists (even 10 comments suggests this, how can you have gods before him if there are no other gods?). The biggest thing however is the morally issues in the bible (why I posted this here), I don’t think anyone can justify that stuff as being moral. There is some pretty wild stuff you never knew existed in the bible. From being blessed and happy for bashing your children into stones to cannibalism to gods possible fecal fetish (to eat it and how to eat it, have it rubbed on your faces, to how to dispose of it... god sure knows his dung). :rolling:

Anyone mind discussing some of these quotes or any believes attempt to explain/justify them as moral?
There are some immoral scenes in Schindler's List. Do acts of horrible brutality mean that the movie is promoting it? What if some of the characters promote it? Can we call Schindler's List anti-semitic because it depicts violence against the Jews? Does anyone think that Schindler's List is neo-Nazi propaganda, or do we have the opposite reaction when we take the violence in context with the message of the movie? Does the violence beg to be praised, or do the weaknessess of those who engage in it beg to be identified and corrected?
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There are some immoral scenes in Schindler's List. Do acts of horrible brutality mean that the movie is promoting it? What if some of the characters promote it? Can we call Schindler's List anti-semitic because it depicts violence against the Jews? Does anyone think that Schindler's List is neo-Nazi propaganda, or do we have the opposite reaction when we take the violence in context with the message of the movie? Does the violence beg to be praised, or do the weaknessess of those who engage in it beg to be identified and corrected?
The comparison is erroneous.

In the Bible, there is a lot of violence which is instigated and condoned (even praised) by god himself (herself/itself ... whatever). The Bible is the "word of god", remember ??

Thats totally different from a movie whch depicts violence.

If a movie depicted the "hero" as a person indulging in mindless violence and then glories this hero ... then you could say that it promotes violence.
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The comparison is erroneous.

In the Bible, there is a lot of violence which is instigated and condoned (even praised) by god himself (herself/itself ... whatever). The Bible is the "word of god", remember ??

Thats totally different from a movie whch depicts violence.

If a movie depicted the "hero" as a person indulging in mindless violence and then glories this hero ... then you could say that it promotes violence.
But then again, Jesus said that the most important commandments were "love your brother as you love yourself," and "love God above all else." He didn't fight back when he was attacked. He "turned the other cheek." This all seems to indicate that the Bible does not condone violence, even though violence is present. The ultimate theme seems to be non-violence by graphically depicting the horror of violence in the name of God. I sure wouldn't want to see a crucifixion. I wouldn't even want to see a stoning. Rather than condoning or promoting these things, the Bible reports them as they (supposedly) happened, not unlike a news report. Seeing people shot in Iraq doesn't turn me against the news, even if the reporters do not specifically tell me that what I am seeing is wrong. It turns me against war. The people who wrote the books of the Bible were humans just like the people who post here. Because some monstrous things happened millenia ago doesn't mean that the people of that time were monsters any more than the mostrous things that happen every day right now means that people today are monsters. We're all people with a great amount of fear of suffering. We respond to violence the same as we always have. With revulsion, anger, sadness, grief, seething rage, vengeance, and, of course, intense curiosity.
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