aa5874

You are the one who claimed Apolonius was an ordinary man. I don't know how you came to that conclusion that he was even a real man.

I take it that you cannot show me what you know is true about Apollonius.

Against Hierocles contains events which are fiction with respect to the character called Apollonius. I do not know what is the truth about the character. You must know the truth. You claimed he was an ordinary man.

Just show what you know is true about Apollonius. Please don't run.

Ben C Smith

Are you sure you want the rundown? Will you honestly try to understand it and evaluate it logically and fairly?

I can go through the steps if you wish, but please familiarize yourself with the sources I listed first.

Ben.

aa5874

I take it that you cannot show what you know is true about Apollonius.

You claimed he was an ordinary man and that you have sources. Just prove that you know Apollonius was a real man.

You think you know all what I found out about the character called Apollonius?

patcleaver

Jeffery please answer my question that I asked on Saturday 1/10/09

Jeffrey, where is there ancient primary source that says that Jesus was an ordinary man?

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Adherents.com claims to have figures for 4,200 religious groups currently existing on Earth, but that this does not include all the tribal village and family religions of Asia, Africa and the Americas. Most religions are polytheistic with many Gods.

The religions and Gods currently worshiped are uncountable. The number of religions and gods that have ever been worshiped is amazingly immense. The number of conceivable religions and gods is infinite.

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Jeffrey quit whining and go to the cite I gave you
http://www.theoi.com/Cult/AsklepiosCult.html
and search for "Asklepios, the son of illustrious Zeus"

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The Mormon myth arose in less than one year

Scientology arose in less than one year

Many local myths about the history of towns arose less than 20 years ago.

There were dozens of myths about WW2 that arose within just a few years after the war.

The myth of Bigfoot arose practically overnight because of a single hoax.

The mythology of spiritualism arose in just a few years.

The mythology of channeling arose in just a few years.

The mythology about crop circles arose in a few years.

Most urbane legends arise overnight because somebody just invents them as stories and then they quickly spread.

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Jeffery where is a citation indicating that any myth has ever taken more than a few years to arise?

Ben C Smith

No, I do not wish to waste my time jumping through your hoops. You cannot even mouth the words: Yes, Ben, I will honestly try to understand and evaluate logically and fairly.

Ben.

aa5874

I take it that you just cannot show what you know is true about Apollonius. I expected you to run and you did.

rlogan

*yawn* boo hoo I hurt your feelings by criticising your superhero fantasy scripts?

Gad what tedium dealing with blind faith. Duh. Birthdates have to be inferred from the other poppycock they provide now don't they, champ?


Luke puts Jesus' 30th year at the 15th year of Tiberius Caesar, or 3 BC. More than one Gospel asserts the date of his birth is in the reign of Herod, which ended 4 BC according to Josephus.

There's two different dates for you. Not to mention all the other ridiculous crap like the slaughter of the innocents, the wise men following the star and etc. Carrying fortunes in one case to leave at a goat barn with the new God of the universe (Luke). Another in a House. Matthew.



hehehehehe. I need a name for this silly technique. The utter pretentiousness is just too rich.

The problem with people like yourself is that you never finish up your chain of logic. So let's go ahead and do that, shall we?

Jesus is real because there might be two different dates given for some hypothetical figure amongst all the texts ever written before date X.

Hilarious. He's not real because people do not come back from the dead, nor do they turn water into wine etc etc etc.

You start from that premise if you aren't retarded. Like geese don't talk. Bunnies don't shop at bread stores and dress their babies in human clothing. Fat men do not fly on sleds through the sky delivering presents.

etc.



Not very concerned with the "historical reliabilty" of superstitious crap about coming back from the dead, turning water into wine, virgin birth & etc.

All those sound pretty silly to me. So what.

*yawn*

Doesn't take much intelligence actually to read mother goose and see they are stories for children. But you can apply exactly the same pretentiousness there too.

Have at it.

Amaleq13

Only to those with rational expectations of the evidence. The willfully ignorant are likely to remain that way.

aa5874

Are you telling Ben something? Are you referring to yourself?

Your post does not address the OP in anyway at all whatsoever.

It appears to be an attempt to derail the thread. You have developped a predictable pattern.

Do you know anything about the character Apollonius as written in Against Hierocles that must be true or that could only have been true?

Amaleq13

Nothing he didn't already know, I'm sure.

Not all posts in a thread do. Some address arguments related to the OP and some address specific assertions made in course of the discussion. You've been here long enough to know this so this can only be a pretense of ignorance on your part.

No, you are (still) confused on that concept. Report posts you consider to be a derailment and let those who are not so confused make the determination.

Have you familiarized yourself with the resources Ben suggested?