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gstafleu · 07-23-2006, 06:08 PM

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Now they've presented evidence that people were crucified in Roman Palestine, and found a tomb which is consistent with biblical accounts of cntemporary tombs.

And this is, like, supposed to be news? There were oodles of crucifixions. It was the Romans' Great National Passtime when it came to any sort of insurgents. And given that it is generally agreed that the gospels were written no later than the 2nd century, chances are pretty good they would describe more or less contemporary tombs.

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There really isn't a lot of evidence there for any sort of historical Christ presented, though there is evidence, I think, that the biblical accounts show genuine, natural, accounts of what life was like in 1st century Palestine.

Surprise!! I think we're moveing from downhill to below sea level. Like someone once put it, the fact that the King Kong movie uses accurate descriptions of NY does not a historical KK make.

gstafleu · 07-23-2006, 06:12 PM

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Said lots of things are consistent with biblical account, and archaeology does more to confirm than contradict the biblical accounts of Jesus.

It does more confirm than contradict that the gospel authors knew the then Palestine environment. It says piss-all about J, be it H or M.

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Which I guess it does, as far as the natural biblical claims are concerned.

As far as the depiction of the countryside is concerned, you mean.

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David B (is now pissed in both the Brit and US snses of the word)

Go rent King Kong and have some fun!

David B · 07-23-2006, 06:18 PM

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Tectonic movement over 2000 years? Say mayby a couple of meters tops? Not to mention that it is whole plates that are moving, so unless the Sea of Gallilee is a rift fault (could be, I suppose) the whole thing moves as one anyway? Yup, downhill seems to be the direction.

2 cm per year for 2000 years is 40 metres.

2 cm per year is not excessive for techtonic movement.

So that is rather more than a couple.

And if the outlet to the sea of Galilee moves down by .5 cm a year, on average, relative to the inlet, then we have a 10 metre rise at the north end, which could be hundreds of metres from the current shoreline.

I can't see anything unrealistic, there.

And if you find fisherman's artifacts in a ruined village dated to about 2000 years ago, hundreds of metres from the shore, and metres above the shore, then that is evidence that the shoreline has in fact shifted. And that seemed solid.

David B

gstafleu · 07-23-2006, 06:23 PM

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2 cm per year for 2000 years is 40 metres.

2 cm per year is not excessive for techtonic movement.

So that is rather more than a couple.

Correct, but still not "a long way." Well, depending on how you define "long way" of course. If it means "it used to be right on the water but now isn't" then it could indeed be some sort of tectonic movement.

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And if you find fisherman's artifacts in a ruined village dated to about 2000 years ago, hundreds of metres from the shore, and metres above the shore, then that is evidence that the shoreline has in fact shifted. And that seemed solid.

True enough, I took "long way" to mean something larger.

The Bishop · 07-24-2006, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by gstafleu

Tectonic movement over 2000 years? Say mayby a couple of meters tops? Not to mention that it is whole plates that are moving, so unless the Sea of Gallilee is a rift fault (could be, I suppose) the whole thing moves as one anyway? Yup, downhill seems to be the direction.

Uhm, a rift fault like the Great Rift Valley of which it is part?

gstafleu · 07-24-2006, 11:10 AM

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Uhm, a rift fault like the Great Rift Valley of which it is part?

Interesting, thanks for the link. One learns something every day!

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