Magus55

There is no conflicting accounts. The first is a summary of what happened in creation in Chronological order. The second is seen from the perspective of man on day 6.

Because the writers of the Bible weren't taxonomists and weren't intending it to get that specific? They categorized things based on what it most acted and looked like.

Would you be referring to Revelation? ( hint hint: its a future event and very symbolic)

Um, God can throw a universe into existence just by speaking. Do you really think its a challenge for Him to create light without a natural source? What do you think Heaven will be lit with? Its own sun?

Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb [is] the light thereof.

If you seriously consider those valid contradictions, you really have never bothered to open the Bible let alone study it.

Angrillori

Translation: Duh! Don't you know, God sees time differently from man. Therefore man sees things created at different times than God does. So...uhmm...yeah....


Translation: They weren't wrong, because they didn't care if they were right! So when they were wrong, they were actually right because being wrong didn't matter to them! And in this case it was the Bible writers, not God, because God only wrote the parts that are right. Which, amazingly enough, exactly and specifically match the list of parts I agree with!



Translation: If it's clearly wrong, and it's in a part I agree with, then it's a symbol. Which is why it's not wrong.

(Sidenote: This is my favorite kind of apologetic--ignore the literal wrongness entirely with the words "It's a metaphor/symbol/whatever.")



Translation: You're right, a solar day of 24 hours, the time it takes the earth to revolve, making the sun appear to rise and set, makes no sense without a sun, therefore I'm going to totally ignore your question and answer something totally unrelated, like God creating light without a source. Then,



I'll throw in a bible verse totally unrelated to your question, but which supports my answer to a different question hoping you don't notice!

Translation: I'm going to attack you now in the hopes you'll focus on that and miss the fact I totally failed to answer your questions.

Hazel-rah

And, when it suits their argument, an inerrantist is often happy to claim that the Bible is merely a compilation of many completely separate books written by independent authors.

blindwatchmaker

Angrillori

:notworthy
Couldn't have said it better myself.

BW

blindwatchmaker

Magus55

Your reply is actually quite useful.
It does answer my question to some extent, thank you.

It shows that the standard response to questions such as mine is to fly to Cloud Cukoo Land, purchase a nice little house there and spout COMPLETE DRIVEL.

Your arguments are completely ridiculous. I suppose you'll be saying that the Earth is only 6000 years old next. (Go on. Make my day )

Magus55

Why is it ridiculous? Because you don't agree with it? Your contradictions are pathetic attempts at convincing a Christian the Bible is errant. I've heard all your dumb arguments before, and I'm not even a tad bit closer to trusting man over God.

And you know whats completely ridiculous? Apes turning into humans!! OMG it is so stupid. Like out of a science fiction book!

Toto

[mod hat on]

Can the discussion be kept on a higher intellectual level than trading insults? Please?

blindwatchmaker

Fair enough Toto.

Magus, are you prepared to examine some of the issues we've mentioned with a reasonable open mind? This is after all a debating site.

If you're not prepared to enter a reasonable discussion, that's fine with me, but if that's the case, please stay out of this thread.

I hope though that you will want to look further and we can explore some issues together.

Perhaps you can convince me that your explanations are reasonable.
If you can ,I am honestly prepared to change my position.

It's now almost 4am where I am so I'm off to bed but I will continue in this thread with you tomorrow if you like. If our discussion gets off topic for this particular thread , we can start up a new one.

BW

spin

[QUOTE]Originally posted by blindwatchmaker
[B]OK here are some for starters( )

Half the apologists negate the claim. Half of them accept it, saying that they are two allegorical representations of the greatness of God. Me, I say that it shows two attempts of a population to cope with the alien world around them.

The apologist says either you've misread the text or the taxonomy is wrong. I say that in those days they didn't know everything.

The apologist says you don't appreciate Herbew poetry. So do I for that matter.

The apologist says you are misreading the text. I have attempted to show this point a number of times and still get different versions of misreading. The writer had a different world concept from us, so could say what he did based on that world concept.

What is all this ire for? Apologists can't help apologies. If they could they wouldn't.

Most people here could just as easily.

Yeah, if there's been a contradiction or a conflict with science, then there's been an apologetic developed for it.


spin

Infidelettante

“Finally brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue and if there be any praise, think on these things.” Philippians 4:8

Hello Blindwatchmaker. I am a Pagan. As any here will tell you I am not a defender of Christianity. But, I am a defender of religious thought when it can encourage us to be better people. The quote above is an example of such thought. That it is found in the Bible and that it came from the pen of the Apostle Paul can not lessen the truth of it.

If we reject all religious thought because some of it is nonsense we loose an enormous body of work that explains how people through the millennia have sought to understand themselves, their societies and yes, their place in the universe.

We have the opportunity to sift this wealth of knowledge out of the dross of intolerance, bigotry, and ignorance in which it is mired and reveal it for what it truly is, a record of human determination, courage, and adaptability. And, a treasury of hope, love and yes, even faith. It is a legacy we dare not ignore just because we have convinced ourselves it can't exist.

JT