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Old 02-01-2010, 12:13 PM   #21
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Whatever the explanation, it needs to explain why "us" is only used in this instance by YHWH.

(whoops, I now notice that He uses the same pronoun in the story of the Tower of Babel).
And elsewhere ... http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/gods.html
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Although, you can't exactly claim that all those are confirmation of early polytheism in Jews, reading them all together sure makes YHWH look like more of an organized crime bully....
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You take our books written by us, and tell us what they mean. While reading a translation.... You wouldn't know real history if it walked up introduced itself to you.
You helped write them did you? If not, then merely being Jewish does not give you any special insights into the history they reflect. IMHO, being Jewish, Muslim, or Christian probably creates difficulties rather than aiding the investigation.
The classical Jewish view of the Torah being written by Moses with no redactions and an unbroken oral tradition, is not taken seriously even by educated modern orthodox.

While Jewish exegesis seems to be superior to Christian, both share the characteristics of randomness.

During a class yesterday, my Rabbi mentioned that the letters in the ten commandments were written in Aramaic script instead of proto Hebrew (or whatever). I must have looked stunned because he told me he would prove it to me... can hardly wait.
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I've read that argument before. But again I ask, why is "us" used only in limited instances?
Because God has no exictence of being but is the essence of being. God here is generic in mankind to be manifest in the flesh by Lord God = the word made flesh. Here then, a distinction must be made between God and Lord God.

God is first cause, Lord God is second cause, and like god is third cause = Gen 1, 2 and 3.. Like god is hu-man while in oblivion and so 'realization' will convert 'like god' into 'Lord God' when the ego goes 'poof'. The question is "how" and that is where a mystery religion is needed.

You can say that God represents that which all humans have in common = peace on earth and good will to all men (because at heart we all can be friends and that tendency prevails among mankind). Philia then, is also an extraction of agape, which is God.
Could we not also say that "God" represents that which all humans have in common - the mind that thinks. So "God" is as a man and so conforms to good and evil and distributes "his" will therewith? The "word" made flesh?

Also, "as a man thinks, so is He". Who then holds the greater power?
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Because God has no exictence of being but is the essence of being. God here is generic in mankind to be manifest in the flesh by Lord God = the word made flesh. Here then, a distinction must be made between God and Lord God.

God is first cause, Lord God is second cause, and like god is third cause = Gen 1, 2 and 3.. Like god is hu-man while in oblivion and so 'realization' will convert 'like god' into 'Lord God' when the ego goes 'poof'. The question is "how" and that is where a mystery religion is needed.

You can say that God represents that which all humans have in common = peace on earth and good will to all men (because at heart we all can be friends and that tendency prevails among mankind). Philia then, is also an extraction of agape, which is God.
Could we not also say that "God" represents that which all humans have in common - the mind that thinks. So "God" is as a man and so conforms to good and evil and distributes "his" will therewith? The "word" made flesh?

Also, "as a man thinks, so is He". Who then holds the greater power?
No because omniscience requires no thinking. Thinking is for handicaps or Cave-dwellers in their human condition.

I think they call that 'walking on water' or walking on the celestial sea. . . wherefore Peter had to keep his eye on Jesus, to say that if you are going to go by intuition you must count on it or you will drown. This then is how beauty is the guide and a censorship mechanism for the sage (for lack of a better word) who so is a slave to beauty.

Then I should add that Mary is the heart of Jesus and Elizabeth the mind of the Jesus who so was reborn in the conscious mind of Joseph; wherefore then Elizabeth is the water to walk on and Mary is the beauty of life (or intimacy with life itself), who so teaches us to walk on this water.
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The above solves the riddle in John "mother there is your son" and also explains how "the child is to become the father of the man" . . . and is why the kundalini must be raised for the crotch to the heart first and then from the heart to the mind.

To be reborn then is where purgatory (Galilee) begins and crucifixion is where it ends (in Luke and John). Please note that Mary was Assumed instead of raised and the Coronation of Mary is where She is raised above all to affirm that Love is the greatest of all . . . as life goes on and so now it can be added that heaven is for Catholics only after all (not to say that all Catholics go there but if ever a lazarus was raised outside the Church he would he would have told others about it . . . to which Luke 16:25 is the proper reply in the modern set of John 5:39-40.
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The above solves the riddle in John "mother there is your son" and also explains how "the child is to become the father of the man" . . . and is why the kundalini must be raised for the crotch to the heart first and then from the heart to the mind.

To be reborn then is where purgatory (Galilee) begins and crucifixion is where it ends (in Luke and John). Please note that Mary was Assumed instead of raised and the Coronation of Mary is where She is raised above all to affirm that Love is the greatest of all . . . as life goes on and so now it can be added that heaven is for Catholics only after all (not to say that all Catholics go there but if ever a lazarus was raised outside the Church he would he would have told others about it . . . to which Luke 16:25 is the proper reply in the modern set of John 5:39-40.
Huh???

Am I the only one that has a headache?
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Huh???

Am I the only one that has a headache?
No, not at all. Chili is the house surrealist. When he starts to make sense, start to worry.
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Genesis 1:26 reads

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

The usual Christian answer to who Yahweh was talking to is that Yahweh was talking to Jesus and the Holy spirit. . . .It is my understanding that the Jews that wrote the story do not agree with the Christian explanation and claims at all. . . .I will like to know the Jewish explanation to the phrase "Let us make man in our likeness". . . . .
The usual Jewish explanation of Genesis 1:26 is that Hashem(God) is merely consulting with his divine council over creating man. Therefore there is no pre-existant Jesus or Christian Holy Spirit just a deity who likes to talk or consult with heavenly beings before he makes human beings.
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"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

The usual Christian answer to who Yahweh was talking to is that Yahweh was talking to Jesus and the Holy spirit. . . .It is my understanding that the Jews that wrote the story do not agree with the Christian explanation and claims at all. . . .I will like to know the Jewish explanation to the phrase "Let us make man in our likeness". . . . .
The usual Jewish explanation of Genesis 1:26 is that Hashem(God) is merely consulting with his divine council over creating man. Therefore there is no pre-existant Jesus or Christian Holy Spirit just a deity who likes to talk or consult with heavenly beings before he makes human beings.
Unless God is the leading egde of creation and so in charge of what Cave dwellers call evolution, of course. Now to keep God abreast of 'changes' to be made, he created the tree of knowledge (TOL) that was perceived by the woman ('womb of the eternal man') to be good for gathering 'knowledge' to be retained in the form of wisdom by the woman in charge. This has to be true if God does not know what it feels like outside without a body of flesh to know.

This then is how the human condition is co-creator with God who's input runs from the TOK to the TOL to the RNA and so into the DNA of man . . . but not of hu-man who has no bodily existence either.
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