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Old 06-08-2007, 09:21 PM   #31
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6Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. 7And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
That doesn't say that Satan is Jesus' brother. :huh:
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Adam is not considered God's son?
No he wasn't and not even close.

Let me explain. Adam was created by conjecture in Gen.3 when shame became known. In Gen.2:25 they were both naked and felt no shame. Here now in Gen.3:10 Adam knew he was naked and that requires an ego or a self awareness to know. So Adam was 'persona' of man.
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And why only a son? Why not also a daughter?

Because the son of God is God and God is masculine.
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According to the Mormons, Satan is Jesus' brother. That makes at least 2...

But Jesus was not the son of God or they would have never crucified him. Bar-abbas was the son of the father and they set him free.
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According to the Mormons, Satan is Jesus' brother.
Maybe that's according to Satan.

He was the morning star pointing at the light of common day and that is not the everlasting light which makes him a deceiver indeed.
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According to the Mormons, Satan is Jesus' brother.
Maybe that's according to Satan.
From Job:
1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
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No, I really like "clearly" almost as much as you do.
But not for the same reason. I don't use it on the 'net*, because, while it is not a cast iron guarantee of a following lie, it is very, very close to that, on the internet.

*Except during extraction of urine.
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One of the main preoccupations of the early Christian fathers was to make distinctions between Christianity and the other competing faiths, while at the same time extracting and placing huge dollops of these competing religions within the Christian lexicon to make Christianity more familiar and attractive to those who would be subsequently converted.

>>When arguing this you seem to have forgotten to take into account that Jesus' coming was actually predicted several hundred years before it actually happened in the Old Testament, and in general these predicitions are very precise such as the whole riding into Jerusalem on a donkey. So there was little choice as to how they were going to 'tell the story'.

Its a bit like listening to answers to questions that havent been asked. You intuitively know you are in the presence of propaganda. If, indeed, Jesus was the only son, you wouldnt need to assert it all the time. The fact that you do indicates that there is a strong competing theory. What is so poignant is that what appears to be perfectly sensible grown up adults chant propaganda like this as if it is somehow derived wisdom. It also seems to indicate that people at the time, who were converting from Roman faith to Christianity, were pretty pragmatic and down-to-earth about their religion, and that it was a far simpler affair than the "eyes turned unto heaven" mock gravity that embues so much of the Christian faith today
>>It is asserted over and over again to remind us what a BIG sacrifice God has made by giving his only son. I think the idea that Jesus is God's son is being dissasociated from our daily encounters with the nature of parenthood. By being God's only son he is the most important to God. Specifically in the biblical context, a son is the most loved (over a daugter im afraid) and if there is only one son and he dies, what is there left in terms of legacy, and who else is there to comfort the fathers loss? When Jesus is called God's only son the amount of love and sacrifice involved is being demonstrated to us. Whether Jesus is actually God's only son is of little consequence, what is of significance is that he loved him as his only son. The emotions within this are more important than the physical nature of their relationship.
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I think this is the best explanation so far. Simple but explains the whole bible.
Yes, simple. So simple like the explanation that Goddidit. It explains everything, but is the view of the ignorant and the uneducated.
Do you have this response set up as a macro? Can you teach me how to do it?

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>>It is asserted over and over again to remind us what a BIG sacrifice God has made by giving his only son. I think the idea that Jesus is God's son is being dissasociated from our daily encounters with the nature of parenthood. By being God's only son he is the most important to God. Specifically in the biblical context, a son is the most loved (over a daugter im afraid) and if there is only one son and he dies, what is there left in terms of legacy, and who else is there to comfort the fathers loss? When Jesus is called God's only son the amount of love and sacrifice involved is being demonstrated to us. Whether Jesus is actually God's only son is of little consequence, what is of significance is that he loved him as his only son. The emotions within this are more important than the physical nature of their relationship.
You don't think that God knew he would rise again? It is a comedy, after all, and we should be cheering on the Romans with a passion while thanking the Jews for doing the greatest thing they ever did and knew exactly how to do it.
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