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Old 11-03-2012, 08:43 PM   #101
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...For me jesus isnt the mystery here, its creepy ole paul and his intentions and motivations is what id like to see, as he is the one responsible for shaping christianity as we know it
Again, you invent your own history because there is ZERO evidence that the Pauline writings shaped "Christianity as we know it".

1. Examine the short and Long gMark--the Pauline writings did NOT "shape" them. The Pauline writings do mention the activities, the miracles, the supposed life of Jesus.

2. Examine gMatthew--it was fundamentally Shaped by gMark.

3. Examine gLuke--it was fundamentally shaped by gMark and gMatthew.

gMark is responsible for shaping the Synoptics.

The author of gMark is the one responsible for "shaping Christianity as we know it".

In effect, the author of gMark shaped the Pauline writings.

The very Pauline writer claimed that it was already written that Jesus died, was buried and resurrected. See 1 Cor.15.

The very Pauline writer claimed he was a Persecutor of those who Believed the Jesus story. See Galatians 1

Paul claimed he Believed the very Jesus story that Jesus was crucified and resurrected and was a witness of Jesus after the resurrection.

Now, examine the writings of Christians like Justin Martyr, Aristides, Theophilus of Antioch, Anthenagoras, Tatian and Muncius Felix--those writings show that Paul and the Pauline writings were NOT responsible for the shape of Christianity.

The Pauline writer did NOT even exist in the 1st century and before c 70 CE.
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In my view, if we could go back, looking for an identifiable Jesus of Nazareth in the first century CE would be like looking for the original Paul Bunyan, or 'Uncle Sam'.
I do agree with outhouse that 'Paul' as presented within the NT is one very creepy character.
Jebus if he was anything like described in the NT was weird enough, but 'Paul' with his brain-fried overheated theological interpretations really takes the cake for the Loony bin Awards.
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It is a complete myth that the Pauline letters shaped Christianity when the very Pauline writer claimed Christianity was ALREADY SHAPED before God revealed his Son to him.

The Pauline writer claimed he was a Persecutor.

Who Shaped Christianity when Paul was supposedly a Persecutor??

The Pauline writer claimed there were Churches in Christ when he was a Persecutor.

Who Shaped those Churches in Christ??

1 Corinthians 15:9 KJV
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For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
Galatians 1:13 KJV
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For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it...
There is NO credible corroborative evidence whatsoever of a Christian Church and a persecuted or persecutor before c 70 CE.
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For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
Galatians 1:13 KJV
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For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it...
There is NO credible corroborative evidence whatsoever of a Christian Church and a persecuted or persecutor before c 70 CE.
That is all flowery speech aa, wherein he is meaning to say that he was testing religion for its worth and that is what knocked him of his high horse, or do you believe that to be a historical event too?

It is similar to tax collector, and paying taxes to the place of birth, that only means that one must return in life to the time before we became rational beings as it is our own faculty of reason that must be crucified =- our person that we hide behind. Ego may work too but person goes much deeper than ego.

Paul was calling the Catholic Church together and never was worried about what you had to say.
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