Johnny Skeptic

God would never have told Abraham that the land promise was conditional upon good behavior when the good behavior issue would not make any difference at all until THOUSANDS OF YEARS LATER when the Jews would finally occupy all of Palestine. So, Christians are going to have to come up with some other excuses why God did not give Abraham and his descendants all of the land of Canaan as an everlasting covenant like Genesis 17:8 said he would.

Robert Byers

First the bible makes clear , I read it recently, that is was conditional upon behaivor as to Israel getting and keeping thier land. In fact they lost their land because of character and went into exile.
Coming out of exile changed everything.
Or they will yet get cannaan.
Or the Canaan with Christ coming means something other then land.
Anyways you can't make a case here of unfillied promises.
Rob byers

Johnny Skeptic

But you do not know what the Bible is, or rather was. The Bible was a collection of original writings. No one knows which writings comprised the originals, and and how many times the originals have been changed.

So are you saying the God punished Jewish babies because of their parents' disobedience?

Why does God cause animals to kill each other?

Nor can you make a case of fulfilled promises.

What exactly has God protected Jews from for thousands of years, possibly from hurricanes, tornadoes, tsunamies, plagues, droughts, and famines? It would not make any sense for God to protect the Jews from other humans and refuse to protect them from hurricanes, tornadoes, tsunamies, plagues, droughts, and famines, but if the God of the Bible does not exist, then that explains this situation.

You have some unfinished business to take care of in one of my threads at the GRD Forum at http://iidb.infidels.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=234545. In my opening post, I quoted you as saying the following in another thread:

Skeptics have been having a field day with what you said. The same thing is happening at the Evolution/Creation Forum in one of my threads at http://iidb.infidels.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=234228. The title of the thread is 'Tree rings,' a subject that you know nothing about but yet discussed tree rings. I quoted you as saying the following in another thread:

However, you do not know anything about tree rings or the mythical global flood. You said:

However, in my post #15, I provided lots of prominent conservative Christian sources who believe that the earth is old.

Now here is the clincher:

Now Robert, why did you say that at the Evolution/Creation Forum? What you said is a case for inerrancy, and does not have anything to do with science.

There is a thread at the Evolution/Creation Forum at http://iidb.infidels.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=228809 that is titled 'Hydrodynamic Sorting in the flood,' which is another topic that you know little of nothing about. Have you ever taken a college course in geology, or read a book about geology? You conveniently vacated that thread too in typical fashion.

In a thread at this forum at http://iidb.infidels.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=230621, which is yet another thread that you conveniently vacated, you said:

Robert, I challenge you to start a new thread in any forum of your own choosing and use those comments as part of your opening post. If you don't, I will use those comments and start a new thread myself at the General Religious Discussions Forum.

Skeptics are eagerly anticipating your return to the threads that you conveniently vacated.

Minimalist

Be that as it may....it sure looks like 'god' screwed the pooch on this one.

2 Samuel 7

http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/2samuel/2samuel7.htm

I guess "forever" meant a couple of hundred years?

stuart shepherd

Why didn't Abe get the land that was promised to HIM?

Acts 7:4-5 (King James Version)
4Then came he out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and dwelt in Charran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell.

5And he gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet he promised that he would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child.

If God didn't make good on his promise to Abe, why do Christians expect he will make good on his promises to them?

Stuart Shepherd

Minimalist

"God" is starting to look like your average politician with the broken promises.

arnoldo

I'm not an expert on Hebrew but IIRC the "everlasting" is a mistranslation the correct word should be "age lasting" Here is a different translation of the verse.

arnoldo

The following is Genesis 12 from the Tanach

Ok, the Canaanites were in the land here before Abram. Doesn't God have a right to give land to whomever he chooses? He created the Earth in the first place ,right?
Apparently Abram didn't have any children when this promise was made
Well Abram leaves the land and goes down into Egypt. He left the land, does that make the promise invalid?

Johnny Skeptic

Message to arnoldo: Why did God punish Jewish babies for their parents' disobedience?

During the early part of the 2nd century, Trajan went to Palestine to put down a Jewish uprising and killed 500,000 Jews. Why did Goid allow that to happen?

If Jews had always been obedient to God, does that mean that he would never have killed any of them with hurricanes and earthquakes?

Minimalist

http://bible.cc/genesis/17-8.htm


Well, let's see. Here's a whole bunch of translations...side by side.

Of 12 translations, 11 use the word everlasting, or perpetual, eternal or permanent. One says 'possession age-during' which, thus, seems to be the oddball version, doesn't it?