Clouseau

There would have been no Islam if there had been no Christianity. Islam is just an oriental form of Catholicism, having similar theology and methods that oppose Christianity. That's why a pope kissed a Koran.

Roger Pearse

I don't think Islam is particularly like Catholicism; nor like Eastern Orthodoxy. But there were Jewish kingdoms in Arabia in the immediate pre-islamic era, one of which in Yemen organised a persecution of Christians, which led to an attack on Yemen by the king of Ethiopia ca. 550AD, when Cosmas Indicopleustes happened to be in Axum and saw it. Isn't the Jewish element pretty perceptible in Islam?

Did he? Well I see politicians kissing Moslem a** on TV, so, relatively speaking, the pope hasn't degraded himself as far as everyone else.

All the best,

Roger Pearse

Clouseau

[QUOTE=Roger Pearse;4540266]All three are attempts to invert the gospel of justification by faith to the comfortable human one of justification by works, yet claiming Biblical authority. All achieved ascendancy by coercion and are 'catholic'. I suspect that Muhammad looked west with jealous eyes to see how Christianity had been caricatured, but had no means of doing likewise, as there was no New Testament ground for inventing a caricature. He chose the OT instead- but even then on the flimsiest of grounds that cannot stand scrutiny.

Only in antithesis! Muhammad's anti-semitic venom can be explained by the common propinquity of the Jewish nation in diaspora that gave constant reminder to Arabs of the Christian revelation. The Jews imv have suffered at the hands of Muslims for this reason, and continue to suffer for this reason now that they have a homeland. Islam may share with Catholicism another reason for denigrating Jews, because comparisons of either religion with Judaism is potentially fatal for them- the accusation of 'Judaising', teaching justification by works, being a danger point. Hence, imv, their common historic antipathy to Jews.

http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/popekiss.html

Roger Pearse

Hang on: this is an audience with a Patriarch ... a churchman! That is Mar Raphael, of the Chaldaean Catholic church -- a uniate body with the Nestorians. So how does the Koran come into it?

But I find other pages online saying that this is correct, and it was. However it isn't clear if the Pope actually knew that this is what it was.

All the best,

Roger Pearse

Clouseau

Less of the propaganda, please. It does not mean that Muslims were not present, but out of the picture.

So there's no point in quibbling.

Is there reason to suppose that he didn't know?

Roger Pearse

Which part of describing the other person as a Patriarch... a churchman... do you regard as non-factual?

All the best,

Roger Pearse

Clouseau

Both parts.

Solo

Roger, you don't know how relieved I am you posted this. I am always at a loss what to say when I am accused of writing fiction.

I am further relieved, being half Jewish (and having fought to clear myself as 'kike' with the school bullies), that - going for the obvious conculsion - you did not accuse the Jews from whose 'ambush' Paul was rescued by Felix' soldiers, of using theology as pretext get their filthy hands on Paul brother-in-law's pile of gold. :devil3:

Jiri

Doug Shaver

Rubbish. I have learned much about Catholicism by reading Catholic literature and talking at great length with Catholics, and I have learned about Islam by reading the Quran and by talking with Muslims. There are similarities, but they could hardly be more trivial.

I have told you where I got my information about Catholicism and Islam. Would you please tell us what is the source of your information about those two religions?

Solo

Doug: there is a shorter answer to that: Rubbish. (period)

Jiri