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Jack the Bodiless · 01-04-2007, 02:17 PM

Each Horseman needs a specific function, so I should have included the next verse. I was put off by the fact that the star was named "Wormwood" rather than "Ringo", but as Christians don't seem to be fazed by the "Immanuel/Jesus" issue, I suppose this isn't a problem...

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Rev 8:11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

So: Ringo the Star, the Fifth Horseman, represents Pollution and damage to the environment. Truly the Bible speaks to our time!

diana · 01-04-2007, 05:13 PM

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Now prove that OJ did it.

Amos 2.14-16: "Therefore the flight shall perish from the swift, and the strong shall not strengthen his force, neither shall the mighty deliver himself: Neither shall he stand that handleth the bow; and [he that is] swift of foot shall not deliver [himself]: neither shall he that rideth the horse deliver himself. And [he that is] courageous among the mighty shall flee away naked in that day, saith the LORD."

OJ was known for strength and swiftness. In "that day," as the Bible prophesied, he that "rideth the horse" (Bronco) was doomed to not deliver himself. "Fleeing away naked" is reference to OJ's flight with nothing more than a couple of thousand dollars, a passport and a fake beard.

Jer 8:21: "For the hurt of the daughter of my people am I hurt; I am black; astonishment hath taken hold on me."

This is an astonishing portrayal of OJ's thoughts after the murder. "The daughter of my people" would clearly reflect his wife, who is the daughter of his people by marriage. This is why it's necessary for him to remark that he himself is black.

d

hatsoff · 01-04-2007, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Skeptic

Theists typically have arrived at their conclusions before they even begin to conduct research. On the other hand, skeptics do not do that. For instance, atheists who do not believe that any being exists who is able to speak a new galaxy into existence would certainly be willing to change their minds if a being who claimed to be the God of the Bible showed up and created a new galaxy. If a being did that, surely some people would become Christians who were not previously convinced. If the God of the Bible exists, he obviously wishes to limit the number of people who believe that he exists.

I am an agnostic. If a being showed up, claimed that he was the God of the Bible, and healed all of the sick people in the world, which by the way Christian doctors are trying to do, I might consider becoming a Christian. If God exists, he obviously does not want to give me that chance, which is a justifiable reason in and of itself for rational minded and fair minded people to reject him.

I think the common contention among God-believers (would the term "theists" include members of specific religions such as Christianity?) is that non-believers hold to impossible standards. They seem to think that just because God isn't immediately apparent, or walking around creating galaxies out of thin air, is no reason to doubt his existence. An fitting analogy might be macroevolution, for which data is innumerous yet almost entirely indirect.

My contention is that there can never be empirical evidence in favor of God's existence. God is by definition supernatural, and I don't see how anything natural can point in his direction. Evidence for God must lie therefore outside the bounds of empiricism, which of course means that it's non-communicable. That is what I consider to be any religion's best defense.

Kosh · 01-04-2007, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Codec

Mark 6:

If the dogs are under the table, they must be allowed to come into the house. That wasn't so hard.

You have COMPLETELY misunderstood the passage, but that's what we should expect from a Dogamentalist.

The passage says that children should be allowed to eat all they want. If the dogs under the table steal the crumbs, this is clearly something that the passage is not condoning. Therefore, the dogs should NOT be allowed in the house, or they will steal the crumbs that the children should have had.

(Kosh - avoiding the obvious punn)

IndigoDad · 01-04-2007, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by diana

Amos 2.14-16: "Therefore the flight shall perish from the swift, and the strong shall not strengthen his force, neither shall the mighty deliver himself: Neither shall he stand that handleth the bow; and [he that is] swift of foot shall not deliver [himself]: neither shall he that rideth the horse deliver himself. And [he that is] courageous among the mighty shall flee away naked in that day, saith the LORD."

OJ was known for strength and swiftness. In "that day," as the Bible prophesied, he that "rideth the horse" (Bronco) was doomed to not deliver himself. "Fleeing away naked" is reference to OJ's flight with nothing more than a couple of thousand dollars, a passport and a fake beard.

Jer 8:21: "For the hurt of the daughter of my people am I hurt; I am black; astonishment hath taken hold on me."

This is an astonishing portrayal of OJ's thoughts after the murder. "The daughter of my people" would clearly reflect his wife, who is the daughter of his people by marriage. This is why it's necessary for him to remark that he himself is black.

d

I apologize but you have missed key points.

he that rideth the horse

- OJ played college football for USC with the mascot being the Trojans. The horse is specifically referring to the Trojan Horse.

- OJ played professional for the Buffalo Bills with the mascot being the American Bison. Again, horse being a very good ancient Mesopotamian descriptor for such a beast.

(But then again, maybe somehow Trojan and rideth are supposed to be connected...

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diana · 01-04-2007, 07:14 PM

Now prove GW Bush is the antiChrist.

d

Coleslaw · 01-04-2007, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by diana

Now prove GW Bush is the antiChrist.

d

You need a Bible for that? A newspaper wouldn't do?

Kosh · 01-04-2007, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by diana

Now prove GW Bush is the antiChrist.

d

Isn't the A-christ supposed be shrewd and make people like him?

Next.

IndigoDad · 01-04-2007, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by diana

Now prove GW Bush is the antiChrist.

d

http://www.bushisantichrist.com/

Wolfie · 01-05-2007, 06:20 AM

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To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace. ~Ecclesiastes 3:1-8

The all purpose biblical justification quote!

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