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outhouse · 11-12-2012, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Minimalist

I call it "wishful thinking" not evidence.

To each his own, I suppose.

Gotta say it really isn't useful to baldly announce 'There is no evidence for "Q"' as is the counterclaim that "3 different scriptures, is evidence."

Please don't be so umm..., minimal about such things. Explain yourselves. Don't be so terse you use words for bricks rather than as means of communication.

If you see that there is no evidence for "Q", then here you need to offset the fact that the vast majority of biblical scholars have provided what they seem to think is evidence.

And I don't see how "3 different scriptures" is necessarily evidence.

Please don't just rehearse great battles of history. You are not on the barricades defending your territory. Try to discuss your differences. Elucidating your views as they affect the views of others will help everyone including yourselves.

I see it as evidence due to the "common phrases" found in 3 different scriptures.

None of which seem to be shared as dependant upon one another.

there is no reason to think besides oral tradition between the communities, that there were not other early lost scriptures in circulation.

Many lost gospels have been semi recently unearthed, making it factual more are still lost, much of which should remain lost for various reasons.

Sheshbazzar · 11-12-2012, 02:28 PM

IMHO, the more lost gospels that are found, and the earlier, the better ......for various reasons. :devil1:

outhouse · 11-13-2012, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Sheshbazzar

IMHO, the more lost gospels that are found, and the earlier, the better ......for various reasons. :devil1:

I agree.

I would love to see what was destroyed purposely.

we know all other work was deemed heresy, and taken out of circulation.

as well as what was lost to war, natural fire, ect ect ect.

only by luck we have found a few.

dont you think its a bit interesting that so far none predates Paul?

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1 a. The content of Mark was made up completely by the author.	3	14.29%
1 b. The content of Mark was creatively collected from earlier written and/or oral sources.	15	71.43%
1 c. Neither. I will state my views below.	4	19.05%
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2 b. Matthew creatively combines Mark with made up material.	5	23.81%
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2 d. Matthew creatively combines Mark and a second source* also used in Luke with made up material.	6	28.57%
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Sheshbazzar Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: On the path of knowledge Posts: 8,889	IMHO, the more lost gospels that are found, and the earlier, the better ......for various reasons. :devil1:

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