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John A. Broussard · 04-24-2005, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Wallener

In edit: Wow, just when you think it can't get any weirder...

http://www.truecatholic.org/

Betcha Benedict will bring these wandering sheep back into the fold.

andrewcriddle · 04-25-2005, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Wallener

Sorry, John, that about exhausts my ability to delve into RCism. I can tell you, though, that prior to the Assumption of Mary doctrine being declared infallible and unquestionable, it was declared heretical by at least 2 prior popes. This might help you get further.

http://www.catholicconcerns.com/Infallibility.html

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In 495 A.D., Pope Gelasius issued a decree which rejected this teaching as heresy and its proponents as heretics. In the sixth century, Pope Hormisdas also condemned as heretics those authors who taught the doctrine of the Assumption of Mary. Here we have "infallible" popes declaring a doctrine to be a heresy. Then on November 1, 1950, we have Pope Pius XII (another "infallible" pope) declaring the same doctrine to be official Roman Catholic doctrine, which all Catholics are required to believe.

The so-called Decretum Gelasianum listing orthodox and unorthodox books probably is not a work of any Pope at all, but a private work illegitimately claiming the authority of Gelasius and/or Hormisdas.

see Decretum Gelasianum

Andrew Criddle

funinspace · 04-25-2005, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Magus55

First, Jesus argues against the Pharisee's for not allowing food to be harvested for the hungry. Jesus says that human need is far more important than some ritual. Regarding the healing, Jesus said it is ok to do good on the Sabbath. He also says that He is Lord of the Sabbath - meaning he knows very well whether the sabbath is being broken. The Pharisees were being overbearing with the Sabbath rules, and misinterpreting them at the cost of the well being of others. Jesus points out the error in their understanding.

You claim the Pharisees were being "overbearing with their Sabbath rules" again. You responded to a general comment and ignored the verses that cover this in great detail. It sounds allot like you are Jesus are arguing with Yahweh. Though it's hard to tell with how you are ignoring relevent verses. Here's just a snippet from what I posted before (again is this not straight from Yahweh?):
Ex 35:3 Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day.
16:26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
16:29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.

Again, if one is free to re-write the past, and declare one's own rules it's pretty easy to make oneself "sinless". Did Yahweh provide the above rules or not?

Wallener · 04-25-2005, 07:45 AM

Thanks, Andrew, that's new input for me. Which shouldn't be surprising, I'm well past my comfort zone on these RC issues!

John A. Broussard · 04-25-2005, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Wallener

Sorry, John, that about exhausts my ability to delve into RCism. I can tell you, though, that prior to the Assumption of Mary doctrine being declared infallible and unquestionable, it was declared heretical by at least 2 prior popes. This might help you get further.

http://www.catholicconcerns.com/Infallibility.html

Thanks much for that source. I finally got around to a close examination of it. Excellent!

I've been looking for something like that. It's own unabashed linkage to Catholic sources is all in its favor. Lots of research possibilities here for anyone interested in the doctrine of infallibility.

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Wallener Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vancouver Posts: 1,043	Thanks, Andrew, that's new input for me. Which shouldn't be surprising, I'm well past my comfort zone on these RC issues!

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