archibald

It does not seem like a likely scenario. I haven't yet heard a convincing case for it.

archibald

It might not be unreasonable to say that the number of possible HJ scenarios, as indeed he number of MJ scenarios, is very large indeed. I wouldn't be even tempted to pick one and try to pin a case on it. :]

I've seen too many threads get lost in that particular quagmire. What happens is that people start arguing about trees (and even what types of moss are on a particular tree) , which is fine, detail is useful, essential even, but such debates often lose site of the woods, IMO.

Perhaps my willingness to opt for certain items on Price's (not exclusive I'm sure) list of options as posted by mountainman might give you some idea.

Oh by the way, I have just noticed that this list refers only to 'gospel accounts'. I had misread that. It's slightly different to 'HJ explanations', since it doesn't cover Paul, for one thing. But it's still an interesting list, and I think Price is a pretty decent writer.

If that's still too vague for you, I can have another go. :]

spin

What then do you think of the two references in 1 Cor 15:3 & 4 to "the scriptures"?

(They are obviously not the Hebrew "scriptures", as Paul has focused his proselytes away from Jewish materials and motivations.)

archibald

Romans 1:2 'Scriptures of the prophets' (graphon prophetikon)

Romans 16:26 'by his prophets in the holy scriptures' (prophetikon autou in graphais hagais)


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J-D

I'll try again, in dialogue form.

Scene: the consulting room of a Great Detective.
The Detective is sitting behind the desk.
The client enters.
Client: I hope you can help me.
The Great Detective: I hope so too. Are you seeking the solution to a mystery?
Client: Yes, I'm trying to decide what's the most likely explanation.
The Great Detective: Ah! The most likely explanation for what?
Client: Look, I know there's more than one possible answer.
The Great Detective: That may be so. What is the question?
Client: I don't want to get too bogged down in the details of all the different scenarios.
The Great Detective: Yes, I can see that, but what is the mystery you are trying to solve?
Client: I'm just trying to make sense of the overall pattern.
The Great Detective: Am I not speaking English here? Or are you not? What is this pattern of which you speak? Can you possibly be even a little bit more specific? Have you perhaps heard the story of the people who programmed a computer to tell them the answer to the Great Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything?
Client: What did it say?
The Great Detective: It said the answer was 'forty-two', which didn't help them much. Do you see what mistake they had made?
Client: Um ... no?
The Great Detective: I suspected as much. They had made the same mistake that you are making. The computer pointed out to them that the answer didn't help because they didn't know what the question was. Oh, yes, they knew it was 'the Great Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything', but what actually was it? They thought that was obvious, but it wasn't! Not even to themselves, when they took the trouble to stop and think about it!
Client: Well, I just want to know what the more likely overall explanation is.
The Great Detective (seizing Client by the lapels and enunciating with great precision): The ... more ... likely ... overall ... explanation ... FOR ... WHAT?

GakuseiDon

I've just assumed that Paul has pulled this from the Hebrew scriptures. What is your take?

1 Cor 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures

archibald

I'm sorry J-D. I thought it was blindingly obvious in the title.

explanation for........the appearance of the Jesus character,

....in extant texts.

Doug Shaver

I could say the same thing, but if I did I would be begging the historicity question. If Jesus existed, then Paul was a contemporary of his. Being contemporary does not entail being personally acquainted.

dog-on

Any number of reasons I suppose. Historical existence being but one of them.

Juststeve

In answer to the OP. yes, an HJ is a more probable explanation than any of the explanations offered by the mythers all of which rest on unlikely assumptions and claims.

Steve