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Old 03-21-2006, 07:11 AM   #81
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All New Testament scholars agree that the Gospels (biographies of Jesus) were written and circulated within Jesus’ generation, during the lifetime of the eyewitnesses
ROFLMAO. Are you kidding? Whoever wrote that statement is either one of the biggest liars I've ever heard, or is completely ignorant of the state of modern NT scholarship.
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Old 03-21-2006, 07:21 AM   #82
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You know, guys. Spanky is pretty spot on about Richbee's would be responses. A brief recap of what he had said:

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ROFLMAO!!

YAWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

REFUTED!!!

HA HA!!

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Continue to feed him if you guys want...........
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Old 03-21-2006, 07:26 AM   #83
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The Romans rarely would release a body to the family, but rather, just throw the criminals, as in most cases to the dogs or into a pit or garbage dump.
Yes, I have heard this. Only you and your book say that jeebus was treated differently from any common criminal or rabble-rouser. The romans did not believe in him, so why would they not throw him to the dogs like all others?

By your own admission, the jeebus story differs from the roman practices of the times.
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Old 03-21-2006, 07:39 AM   #84
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Thanks to this thread I know believe in the jesus. You just can't argue with ironclad arguments like this.

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Old 03-21-2006, 08:19 AM   #85
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>10 Facts about the resurrection skeptics cannot disprove"

One fact about me you cannot disprove. I can fly:

Sure the photo could be fake - but can you prove it?

>the general consensus of modern scholarship accepts the following ten details as established historical facts

The general consensus of modern scholarship is also that none of the gospels are eyewitness testimony. That leaves us with three scattered sentences from Paul giving eyewitness testimony to the resurrection. There's better evidence that the theater in my hometown is haunted.

>The corpse of Jesus has never been produced

The living body of Jesus has never been produced. If you were told by the members of a New Age cult that their leader has risen bodily from the dead, and you ask to meet him, but they say "oh, he ascended into heaven" - wouldn't you be suspicious?
What I want to know is how did you do the picture of your "levitation"?
Bouncing?
Suppoort under your body attached to the wall?
TM bouncing?
Dropped from above?

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Old 03-21-2006, 08:39 AM   #86
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The Easter season is nearly here, and what would Spring be without a really rousing, red hot debate about the resurrection of Jesus Christ with some fundamentalist "skeptics'?

The apostle Paul once asked King Agrippa, “Why should any of you consider it incredible that God raises the dead?” - Acts 26:8

Now, consider, the New Testament critic, D.H. van Daalen, who points out,
“It is extremely difficult to object to the empty tomb on historical grounds; those who deny it do so on the basis of theological or philosophical assumptions.”
In summary, the general consensus of modern scholarship accepts the following ten details as established historical facts:

1. Jesus died by crucifixion 2,000 years ago.

2. Jesus was then placed in a tomb.

3. A few days later, the tomb was found empty.

4. Soon after, the Apostles began testifying that Jesus had risen from the dead.

5. The Apostles really believed they had seen Jesus alive again.

6. Even opponents and skeptics of Christianity at the time claimed to have seen Jesus alive again, and their lives were transformed as a consequence.

7. Almost all of the Apostles eventually died for their testimony that they had seen the resurrected Jesus.

8. In the face of brutal persecution, the movement of Christianity grew beyond all reasonable expectation.

9. The belief that Jesus was physically raised from the dead was central and foundational to Christianity from the very beginning.

10. The corpse of Jesus has never been produced.


Resurrection Reasoning refutes Circular Bias from Unbelief a priori! - Click Here

Judah Etinger: Throughout the early decades of Christianity, it seems the physical vacancy of the tomb was not in doubt by anyone.
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It is YOU who have to prove your statements, since they are your affirmations.
The Gospels you mentioned, are not original documents, and they have been manipulated and mistranslated so much, that they can not be considered enough evidence to state what you are stating, without a reasonable doubt...
Since you have not proven your affirmations beyond a reasonable doubt, we can reach the veredict that they are not valid proof ,and are ,therefore, disproved as sufficient evidence for said affirmations,which are then rendered as hearsay...
That is all...
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All New Testament scholars agree that the Gospels (biographies of Jesus) were written and circulated within Jesus’ generation, during the lifetime of the eyewitnesses.
No, they don't.
People need to remember the difference in life expectancies back then. We're used to people living to 100, so we hear John was written in the 90's and say "oh, yeah, a few eyewitnesses would still be alive." I think actual life expectancies were really about 45 even after you survived into adulthood.
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People need to remember the difference in life expectancies back then. We're used to people living to 100, so we hear John was written in the 90's and say "oh, yeah, a few eyewitnesses would still be alive." I think actual life expectancies were really about 45 even after you survived into adulthood.
They could live just as long back then as people do now. It is simply that you were far less likely to do so. Life expectancy is a statistical observation.

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Rather a silly notion don't you think, since the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus was timed with Passover.

On the other hand, pagan fertility rites of Spring were timed in different countries when Spring arrived.

LOL!
If Easter is meant to celebrate the resurrection, then why dosn't it have a fixed day? Instead, it's celebrated on the 1st Sunday on or following the 1st full moon that follows the spring equinox, usually with a predawn service to await the coming of the Sun. Except for the details of the rituals, how does this differ from pagan practices?
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Julian - point taken. What I should have said is that people overestimate the number of contemoraries of Jesus who would be alive at any given point.
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