Amaleq13

So you are going to continue to pretend you haven't already had this explained to you? You still haven't read Hengel, have you? I will leave you to your willful ignorance since it is clear you have no intention of dealing honestly with the evidence. :wave:

ETA: Anyone interested in reading what Pat is clearly deliberately ignoring can start here.

Jeffrey Gibson

Do the major lexicographers (LSJ, Danker, Daniel Rianno, etc) agree with you that this is the only meaning that unmarked STAUROS has? (BTW, STAUROW is a verb, not a noun, and cannot mean what you say it means).


You know this how?

May I have the reference for this please? Where exactly in the Epistle of Barnabas do we find the expression "TAU STAUROS"?


Jeffrey

patcleaver

Martin Hengel is a retired professor of New Testament and Early Judaism at the School of Theology of the University of Tübingen in Germany. He wrote a book entitled “Crucifixion in the Ancient World and the Folly of the Message of the Cross (or via: amazon.co.uk)”. The reviews of his books seem to indicate that he is a Christain apologist. Please tell me if I am wrong about that.

I do not have the time or money to read bullshit written by Christian apologists who are in general insane crackpots. In order to be a scholar someone has to be honest and skeptical and expert in methods of discovering knowledge, and an expert in some field of knowledge. Since Theology is misinformation, and Christians believes silly fantasies, I have no reason to think any of them meet any of these criteria of scholarship. Almost all so called Christian Bible Scholars are too dishonest to present opposing evidence and too biased to honestly evaluate opposing evidence. Religious bigots are not scholars – they are quacks.

The following is from a review by a Christian called Trish "Lorica Lady" of “Crucifixion in the Ancient World and the Folly of the Message of the Cross (Facets)” by Martin Hengel

http://www.amazon.com/review/product...DateDescending

“I was personally hoping to find information leading me to decide whether to get rid of the crosses in my home (some types of crosses are symbols of Tammuz and other pagan concepts, for example) or keep them. Was Yahushua just nailed to a single stake, or was there a bar and a cross beam forming a shape like a t, or like the standard crucifix - or what? I didn't get any clear answer for that - not just for my Savior, but about the practices in Rome in general. “

This review indicates that there is nothing in the book that indicates whether any early Christians believed that Jesus of Nazareth was killed on cross.

If you have the book and there is some evidence in the book that early Christians believed that Jesus was really killed on a cross, besides the author’s biased opinion, then you should present it. I think your just wasting everyone’s time.

Amaleq13

Yes, he is certainly knowledgeable and, therefore, a good source of information.

That is called "poisoning the well" which is, of course, an error in logic as well as being an excellent way to avoid learning something you don't want to know.

Keep up the good work.

ETA: No wonder you prefer that review over any of the others:

"Now, it's possible the answer to my question was, in fact, in the book (though I doubt it - I did read the summary) and that I did not see it....I confess I did not read every word."

Jeffrey Gibson

Which reviews exactly might these be?

You are wrong about that -- as you would know if you had read anything by Hengel, but especially his groundbreaking and seminal Judaism and Hellenism (or via: amazon.co.uk) his The Zealots and his Septuagint as Christian Scripture, among other works of his, as well as the reviews of his books that have appeared in such professional journals as JRS, JBL, Journal for the Study of Judaism, The Journal of Semitic Studies, Journal of the American Academy of Religion, Journal of the American Oriental Society, The Jewish Quarterly Review, The Classical Review, etc. -- which I dare say your eyes have never lit upon.

Jeffrey