Faid

MOUNDS?

MOUNDS?

SAWells

AFDave is apparently unaware that LIVING BIRDS have feathers AND scales. Chicken leg, anyone?

ericmurphy

Strangely enough, Dave, it was during the 19th century that most scientists believe that life was specially created. Evolutionary theory didn't even exist until more than halfway through the century. And simple compared to what, Dave?

Dave, we don't need to look to fossils to find organisms that have scales and feathers. Have you looked at a modern bird lately? Modern birds have both scales and feathers.

It's not just an assertion that Archaeopteryx is a transitional form. Archaeopteryx has traits of more primitive diapsids (such as teeth, and claws on its forelimbs) and traits typical of birds, such as feathers. You don't need to describe the process of how feathers evolved from scales in order to show that birds evolved from more primitive diapsids. But if you're curious (and I'm sure you are not), you can see that the evolution from scales to feathers is an area of ongoing research.

MacNeill's full statement was "The modern synthesis is dead. Long live the evolving synthesis." I just don't get why you can't understand this. I further can't understand why you think it's important that scientists are often wrong about things. Wrong theories get corrected. The Bible, which is wrong about everything it has to say about geology and biology, has never been corrected.

That's the difference between science and religion.

ericmurphy

Nope. No empirical evidence in that entire thread for your "flood" hypothesis. The results of the poll on that "formal" debate give some indication of how many people think you presented any actual evidence.

And Dave? There's no "proof" for anything in science. Science is not engaged in finding "proof" for anything. "Proofs" only exist in the realm of mathematics and logic, not science. How many times will I have to correct you on this point before you get it?

RED DAVE

Beat me to it. Anyway, here's a picture. The scales on the chicken's leg are quite visible.



(He's also into bondage. )

RED DAVE

Cege

Not so long ago, when one went into the backyard, caught a chicken for dinner, wrung it's neck til dead, then plucked and cleaned it for dinner, it was obvious that chickens have scales on their ugly 'ol laigs and feet as well as feathers on their edible bodies.

It's when you make an assertion of fact, then have no facts to support your challenged assertions that you crash and burn. Don't rely on merely what you read by your YEC buds; research a bit to be sure you believe what they claim, as based on the best objective information available.

I know you didn't ask for my opinion. Just trying to be constructively helpful.

Dave Hawkins

OK ... RED DAVE ... start a thread over in E/C on why you think chickens are evidence for feathers evolving from scales and I'll join the thread. This will be good.

Seven Popes

Why do YEC's cling to silly beliefs which have no real evidence? Your flood debate was a debacle, you were roundly thrashed. You had ages to put together that debate and only managed to make a mess.

Cege

Uh oh. I think I see a false assumption and (another) resulting crash-and-burn.

Why don't they ever listen?

ericmurphy

Dave, did you even click on the fucking link I posted? I really get sick and tired of creationists like you who claim there's no evidence for some scientific assertion, and then ignore links to evidence supporting that assertion.