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Old 11-12-2012, 07:30 PM   #11
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A zombie is a dead person that comes back to a semblance of life
Ah, so zombies exist.

Wow.
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A few individuals that survived poisoning, but no 2 thousand year old ones still living, and invisibly floating around whispering in peoples ears.

Does zombie Jebus talk to you sotto?
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A few individuals that survived poisoning
Then they didn't die.

We can mess around with silly pejoratives like 'zombie'; like children.

Or not.
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There are lots of corporate executives who hold strange religious beliefs.

I am more concerned about his idea that blasphemy is just like grotesque child pornography.
Come now. He isn't really comparing the two. He's trying to get secular people to understand what blasphemy feels like to a religious person.
You come now. He is comparing the two, with a particularly inflammatory comparison. Secular people understand what blasphemy might feel like to a religious person, but also understand that they need to get over those feelings.

Blasphemy is a human right.
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Because secularists privilege their beliefs on the public square, they often don’t understand the deep offensiveness of their ridicule of religious belief.

“One of the mistakes of secularists is not to understand the character of what blasphemy feels to some one who is a realist in their religious beliefs…For a Muslim a comic or demeaning depiction of the Prophet Mohammed might have the force, be the emotional force, of a piece of grotesque child pornography…Religion as it is lived is not simply about a kind of interplay of propositions , two plus two equals four versus two plus two equals five. It is a felt experience with a big emotional charge.”
Come now. He isn't really comparing the two. He's trying to get secular people to understand what blasphemy feels like to a religious person.
Come now, he's completely full of shit. "Secularists" don't ridicule religion as "secularists" though we may do so as individuals. Secularists beliefs are not "privileged" in the public square; quite the opposite.

This construction of religion-as-victim is bog-standard right-wing religious nuttiness. This guy comes across as a not particularly intelligent right-wing religious crank. NYT has always been a neoliberal establishment rag. Now it will probably swing further to the Right.
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Come now. He isn't really comparing the two. He's trying to get secular people to understand what blasphemy feels like to a religious person.
Come now, he's completely full of shit. "Secularists" don't ridicule religion as "secularists" though we may do so as individuals. Secularists beliefs are not "privileged" in the public square; quite the opposite.

This construction of religion-as-victim is bog-standard right-wing religious nuttiness. This guy comes across as a not particularly intelligent right-wing religious crank. NYT has always been a neoliberal establishment rag. Now it will probably swing further to the Right.
The whole point of secularism is that the public square doesn't privilege any religion (or lack thereof). So, yes, this guy is a tool.
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Then they didn't die.
Nope. not like zombie Jebus.
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I think we will, at least for as long as it takes to get childish people to give up believing in a talking snake, and that a 2000 year old living dead zombie is whispering in their ear.

Does zombie Jebus talk to you sotto?

Yes or no?

This shouldn't be too hard a question for such a learned, honest, and devout person as yourself.
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A few individuals that survived poisoning
Then they didn't die.

We can mess around with silly pejoratives like 'zombie'; like children.

Or not.
The pseudonymous author of the Acts of Andrew and Matthew, Leucius Charinus, writes that Captain Jesus drives a Water Taxi to the Land of the Cannibals!" - the apostles Cast lots for world dominion (just like the Roman soldiers in the story of the crucifixion).

The idea of Zombies is not new within the context of so-called Christian literature. The Acts of Pilate was written by two zombies who arose from their graves in downtown Jerusalem after the resurrection event. Their names strangely enough were Lucius and Charinus.

The instance of Zombies in so-called early christian literature indicates the presence of silly pejoratives by the gnostic author. This is confirmed by the straight-laced Photius centuries afterwards writing about Leucius Charinus....

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In a word, his books contain a vast amount of childish, incredible,
ill-devised, lying, silly, self-contradictory, impious, and ungodly statements,
so that one would not be far wrong in calling them
the source and mother of all heresy.
The investigation reveals that the Gnostics were being childish and silly when dealing with the official canonical Jewish Zombie story.

On the other foot the imperially sponsored canonical bandwaggon regarded this as BLASPHEMY against the most holy name of the emperor in first place, and Bilbo Jesus Baggins in second place. Eusebius places these books on the Index Librorum Prohibitorum, and soldiers searched these books out high and low until they were almost all destroyed by the totalitarian 4th and 5th century christian regime.
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'Christianity is based on objective truth'

Not so. But, as is easy to see from the absurd, hormonal fabrication that people write about it, people certainly believe it to be objective truth.
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