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Old 04-17-2013, 11:45 PM   #21
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Dust is a metaphor for what?

We come from the Earth by their belief, this was also a theme present in Mesopotamia, as Adamu was created from the Earth.

Jews did not place their dead in a ossuary at this time. They were buried.

You know, back in the earth :constern01:

Is it that difficult for you?




I'm not saying my translation is right. I'm just saying your not only overthinking this, but seem very confused about the scripture.




What is this?

Don't over analyze it, has a literal interpretation ever been correct? You know better then this.




Your assuming to much.

Its sort of off the deep end here bud.

Deity's don't exist, and they don't talk to people explaining biology that was only learned 2000 years later.

Deity's are created in myth and mirror the primitive people who created it.




Its one of the best epic books ever written, that you will have to deal with.


It is a epic that has beauty, poems, songs, mythology, stories, legends, fiction, allegory, metaphor and parables and more.

There was a good youtube clip I viewed once. A young girl was ripping pages out of the book, saying, dad, dad, look at all these errors where the book is factually wrong. The dad looks in her eyes and states, honey. "You don't fix the book, it fixes you".


And despite the people who would pervert it using a literal interpretation starting wars and crusades for their own purpose, it has helped countless lives and gave them a light at the end of the tunnel. For the poor and meek and oppressed it is a light, and often all they have. It is a guide for ignorant who are forced to eat dirt to quiet their bellies.

I stated in the beginning its biggest problem is those who do not interpret it correctly. Don't be one of those.




No one gave Moses anything. Moses doesn't exist. He was a literary creation.

There was never ten commandments. These laws mirror Egyptian and Mesopotamian laws that were in existence before the Israelite culture formed from displaced Semetic people that migrated from each culture.





No

After 622 BC king Josiah instituted monotheism to Yahweh but it took hundreds of years to take.

Some state polytheism lasted up until 200 BCE ish in Judaism despite the redaction of collections of literature.


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No wonder the Christians got confused and came up with the Trinity.
That's what happens when you create another deity, but want to stay monotheistic.

Mythology and reality clash.
Yes, man's early cultures were full of myths and impossibilities passed off as truth. Human bodies don't decay into earth. They putrify and break down into various compounds, and the skeleton is left behind, not dust.

What specific parts of the OT do you find useful and valuable? I can't find any. Great literature? Examples? I agree that there was no Moses because the entire book is fiction. The book "fixes you" even though it is factually wrong? How does that work? There was never Ten Commandments? What version of the OT are you using? They weren't given by a non-existent deity to a fictional Moses; that's true, but the list is in the bible, is it not?

The OT is a work of fantastic and unbelievable fiction. What it relates never happened and is nonsense on the face of it. More damage has been done by believers in this nonsense than by any other book. What kinds of minds believe that the Jordan River opened for Joshua, that the deity wiped out all life on the planet save a few survivors on a big boat, or that a person could live for three days inside a big fish? Do you really think that the genocidal activities of the Isrealites is a good examaple to follow? Or am I taking the stories of mass murder too literally? Get real.
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Human bodies don't decay into earth. They putrify and break down into various compounds, and the skeleton is left behind, not dust.

Your wrong Steve.

Bodies and bones decay back into the earth, they factually dry up and turn to dust. Even the bones end up being absorbed back into the earth.

You do know 99.99% of all bones that have ever existed have deteriorated dont you?

In Ca we have thousands of bears, and yet all the "wild" bear bones we have will fit in a shoe box.


Add to that Fossils only represent the most minute fraction of what once was.


Stop the nonsense the allegory is very clear.


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because the entire book is fiction.
You are factually wrong.


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There was never Ten Commandments?
Nope, not as written, and never 10 on stone. There were hundreds originally Steve, later redactors reduced 10 popular ones.

Not only that these 10 are all copies of previous civilizations laws.



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The OT is a work of fantastic and unbelievable fiction.
False again, Steve get a grip here.

These authors believed in much of these legends, that makes it legends and mythology, not fiction.

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What it relates never happened and is nonsense on the face of it. More damage has been done by believers in this nonsense than by any other book. What kinds of minds believe that the Jordan River opened for Joshua, that the deity wiped out all life on the planet save a few survivors on a big boat, or that a person could live for three days inside a big fish? Do you really think that the genocidal activities of the Isrealites is a good examaple to follow? Or am I taking the stories of mass murder too literally?
Ancient and primitive people had a better grasp of this material then many do.

They knew better then to interpret it so poorly. Teachings in Judaism do not take a literal reading of these text.
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In reading a book entitled God (or via: amazon.co.uk) by Alexander Waugh which raises some interesting points. On the very first page of my bible is Genesis 1:26 which refers to the relationship between god and man thusly, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness." How many gods are there then? Is this supposed to be an example of monotheism? What about plural Hebrew words like elohim which refer to god and the numerous names for god such as Yahweh, Adonai, El Shaddai, El, and many others? How about references to god's companion Sophia and his parents El and Asherah. Funny way to start off a monotheistic religion.

Here's another quandry. Adam and Eve were supposed to be created from dust, and man is supposed to return to dust when he dies, but we all know about the birds and the bees and that man isn't composed of dust, and neither does he "return" upon death to the dust that he never was. Most people decay after death, and after a while end up as a skeleton, not dust. So, how do people who know about skeletons believe that man becomes dust after death? Not too credible a source if that which is easily observed on a daily basis is ignored in favor of a myth.
Early Israelites were followers a of the Semitic God El. El had 70 sons, including Baal.
Asherah was El's wife. Our sources are clay tablets fron Ugarit etc.
The we of Genesis is not a royal we, the plurals, "in our image" et al refer to El's sons.
See also Genesis 6 and Job 1, and 2. the god of hosts of the bible means the God who lead an army of his celestial sons. Again, see Job 1 and 2.

The redactors of the OT did a poor job of writing the early mythology of El out of the OT.

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