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Old 08-29-2008, 12:12 PM   #301
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This will be my last reply to this line of inquiry.

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It's a judgement call based on my previous interactions with Ben. You are free to reject my judgement.
Your judgement is irrelevant to this serious problem.

Why would Ben find it necessary to hypothetically rewrite parts of a passage in "Against the Galileans"? Where did he find the Greek words to translate to English, ..."who go unmentioned in the histories of time..."
...to properly capture the nuances in the Greek syntax that are not captured by the translation we've been discussing. As to his source for the Greek, that question has already been adressed several posts back.
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According to the mainstream authorities on this specific reference here we are dealing with one -- the closest (Sergius and Cornelius) - of the two antecedents in this phrase, as Ben and Jeffrey will ad nauseum over.
I know you think this is a nit, but I still think it prudent for someone who has expertise in Greek (Ben, Jeffrey, or anyone else who fits the bill here) to contact tertullian.org and suggest a footnote on this point so that other lost souls will not make the same mistake I've apparently made.
Yes. A classic nit by which the weightier details are cast aside. The text in question is actually called AGAINST JULIAN and was written as a polemical response to whatever Julain wrote in his three books Against the Galilaeans. What do we know of what Julian actually wrote? This is not a straightforward question, and its external political assessments have been rudely ignored in all earlier discussions. Politics and textual criticism have fuzzy boundaries. Thank christ for C14.

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What seems obvious to two individuals who have the advantage of understanding the Greek, certainly is not obvious in the English version to someone who doesn't (myself).

Do you have a reference to mainstream scholarly analysis of this point?
Yes. Jeffrey Gibson will do. Do you want his email address?

However I have my reservations about Gibson in regard to his flippant dismissal of Coneybeare's translation of Philostratus in that Jeffrey disputes the contention that there were in fact extant priests of Asclepius in the epoch of the first three centuries and at the time in the fourth, at which point Constantine publically desecrated this ancient and reverred lineage of architecture (and also in the coinage of the emperors), abondoned the traditions of his ancestors, and embarked upon the most lavish reconstruction in precious stone in antiquity, raising basilica after basilica, many over the top of the ancient (pagan) temples.

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Do you have a reference to mainstream scholarly analysis of this point?
Yes. Jeffrey Gibson will do. Do you want his email address?
No need, he's already weighed in on this discussion.
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