jeremyp

The events of the crucifixion took place during Passover week. The Jews used a lunar calendar.

gregor

Tomboymom
Just ignore Richbee. His statements are not even supported by conservative Xian researchers. The Ireneus quote and so much more has been put to bed here over the past 5 years.

TomboyMom

Sorry to keep repeating myself, but I am going to say again that I have very little first-hand knowledge of the scholarship in this field.

However, I think I can address your logic, which is faulty. First, you would have to apply the same logic to other holy books which claim to be eye-witness accounts, such as the book of Mormon. You don't. Second, where do you get these bogus statistics? Please cite your source. There does not even exist an entity called "all history." History, like science, is a process. Historians, like scientists, disagree about any given event, and the more documentation, corroboration and other evidence in support of an historical theory, the more persuasive that theory is. A single eye-witness account is rarely persuasive, particularly of an event that one would expect to be corroborated by other sources, such as an amazing miracle, or mass execution of infants.

Finally, I will repeat that regardless of your opinion of when the gospel accounts were written, or regardless of when they were actually written, it is still false to assert that the consensus of modern scholarship agrees with you. The consensus of modern scholarship is that all the gospels were written after 60 C.E. To say otherwise is a lie.

TomboyMom

Thanks, that's what I thought. However, I am familiar with people who behave similarly to Richbee from the E & C forum, as well as the morality forum. It is my experience that Christians like Richbee will continue to propogate and disseminate lies, however, ridiculous, and I think it is important and valuable to point and cry "liar" whenever appropriate. These lies show up all over the net and in people's heads forever.

Richbee

Thank you for dissembling off topic. ;-)

Richbee

I would date the Gospel of John as no latter than 80 A.D.

post tenebras lux

Do you have any supporting evidence for this opinion?

Richbee

Ha!

Are you sure you know the original source?

A.N. Sherwin-White, Roman Society and Roman Law in the New Testament (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1963), p. 107.

Roll back the scroll wheel:

Thus, respected Oxford Professor Sherwin-White states that for the Gospels to be myths or legends, the rate of legendary accumulation would have to be “unbelievable” — more generations are needed. He maintains that it would have been without precedent anywhere in history for a myth to have grown up that fast.

Footnote:

The idea that the New Testament writers borrowed important beliefs and practices from a number of ancient pagan mystery religions, though still propagated by some philosophers and educators, has been virtually entirely given up today by informed New Testament scholars for many reasons. (For a detailed discussion, see the article Was the New Testament Influenced by Pagan Religions? by Ronald Nash, Christian Research Journal, Winter 1994,

http://www.equip.org/free/DB109.htm

Note that, whatever the case, the New Testament account of the death and resurrection of a human being as an actual historical event at a particular point and place in history has absolutely no parallel in any pagan religion or cult.

Footnote from:

http://www.foolishfaith.com/book_chap7_foot.asp#6

Richbee

I appreciate that liberal scholars would say 70 A.D. - 100 A.D.

In contrast, I was quoting:

William Albright, one of the greatest archaeologists of the 20th century, declared, “We can already say emphatically that there is no longer any solid basis for dating any book of the New Testament after about A.D. 80.” He also states, “Every book of the New Testament [excluding Luke who was possibly not Jewish] was written by a baptized Jew between the forties and eighties of the first century A.D.”[26] Finally, he asserts, “Only modern scholars who lack both historical method and perspective” could come to a conclusion of much later authorship of the New Testament.[27]

http://www.foolishfaith.com/book_chap6_foot.asp#26

Chris Weimer

Oh yeah, attack the person, not the arguments. What else should I expect? Complete and utter bullshit. Try again.