spin

The Jews knew that Daniel was not prophet. That's why he's in the other books (ketubim) and not the prophets (nebiim). This is a christian error. Daniel, the character was a teller of dreams and a seer of visions. These visions center on events concerning the persecution of the Jews by the little horn along with the events leading up to the persecution. The vision in Dan 11 is an extended analysis of the Syrian Wars as seen from Jerusalem, ending with the persecution of the Jews by Antiochus IV (who on close inspection is also the little horn), but no matter how complete one demonstrates the context of Dan 7-12 the will to believe will not allow sense to shine through.


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spin

The Hindus will do what the christians do: shut their eyes and pretend they have come true. Reality is irrelevant when it comes to belief.


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arnoldo

What is your belief?

arnoldo

Strange, IIRC, the penalty for a false prophet was execution. Do you have any historical record of Daniel being executed for being a false prophet? Your claim are absolutely false, empty and baseless. How do you know the Jews knew Daniel was not a prophet? Please list your source. Oh, that's right, you don't have any.

Sheshonq

How bizarre. It's your analogy, not his.

You were the one who set up the analogy, and the cause-effect relationship between (a) believers in a religion and (b) the existence of a deity in that religion.

What makes you think other people buy into that analogy?:huh:

makerowner

Daniel probably didn't exist, so there's no reason to suppose that he was executed. Also, if he did exist, he was living under foreign governments, who most likely would not have cared much about Jewish religious law. The easily observable fact is that Daniel is not included among the prophets in any Jewish bible.

arnoldo

You continue to fail to realize that Israel currently exists at this very moment as a direct fulfilment of prophecy. Just because you fail to understand the prophecy doesn't mean it's not true. Have you proven a single prophecy false? :huh:

arnoldo

So i suppose your in the school of thought that the Book of Daniel is a forgery? :huh:

Johnny Skeptic

No. Does the Partition of Palestine prove the existence of the God of the Jews? No, it proves the existence of a self-fulfilled Bible prophecy. No Bible = no motives for the ways that Palestine was partitioned = no Partition of Palestine.

Genesis 17:8 says that God promised to give Abraham, or Issac if you wish, ALL of the land of Canaan. You yourself said that Jews have never occupied all of the land of Canaan. Thus, regarding the Partition of Palestine, the Jews could not possibly have recovered a nation that they never had.

Johnny Skeptic

Message to arnoldo: In the early part of the 2nd century, Trajan went to Palestine and killed 500,000 Jews. Why didn't God protect the Jews?

What exactly has God protected Jews from for thousands of years, possibly from hurricanes, tornadoes, tsunamies, plagues, droughts, and famines? It would not make sense for God to protect the Jews from other humans and not also protect them from hurricanes, tornadoes, tsunamies, plagues, droughts, and famines? If the God of the Bible does not exist, then that easily explains this situation.

At any rate, some orthodox Jews agree with you, but reject Christianity. What is your message for them?