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Old 06-17-2004, 03:33 PM   #1
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Default Secrets of the Vatican

I'm going to post this in sections since there is alot of information and it is a controversial subject.

I'm first going to start out by listing some of the evils in which the Vatican had done:
I) The Vatican has killed millions of people through the ages.
A) Examples
1) Roman Catholic Inquistions in Europe
a) 68 million people tortured, maimed, or murdered.
2) St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre
a) 100,000 Protestants killed.
3) Holocaust
a) Resembles modern day Inquistion
b) 6 million Jews (labeled heretics by the Catholic Church) put to death
c) During WWII, Poland was the strongest Vatican controlled country. It also killed the most Jews.
4) Crusades during the middle ages.
a) Nowhere in the Bible does it say you can kill people who don't believe the same as you. The Vatican condones such killings by calling them "holy wars." (There is no such thing as a holy war).
5) Friday October 13th, 1307
a) 2,000 members of the Knights Templar were killed (which was just the beginning. The goal was to wipe out every member of the Knights Templar). This action had the blessing of Pope Clement V and was also put into action by the Pope with the help of Philip IV of France.
6) Lincoln blamed the Civil War on the Pope
a) "This war waould never have been possible without the sinister and secretive influence of the Jesuits. We owe it to the Popery that we now see our land reddened with the blood of her noblest son"
b) "I am for the liverty of conscince in its noblest, broades, and highest sense. But I cannot give liberty of conscience to the Pope and to his followers, the Papists, so long as they tell me through all their councils, theologians, and canon laws that their conscience orders them to burn my wife, strangle my child, and cut my throat when the find their opportunity."

That is the first section. I will be adding more sections, so please come back and check for updates. I also want anyone who finds anything wrong with what I said to say so. If I'm wrong, I want to know.

P.S. I am in no way saying all Catholics are bad. My grandmother is a Catholic. But through research, I have found stuff I find to be wrong.
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PPS. Oh yes you are. I happen to agree. No RC Church- no Bible Hell on earth!
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Uh, you kinda left out the Teutonic Knights.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teutonic_Knights
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penumbra- thanks for the link and thanks for pointing that out.
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PPS. Oh yes you are. I happen to agree. No RC Church- no Bible Hell on earth!

LOL! Right on. I wonder if the fundies realize that little fact.
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a) Nowhere in the Bible does it say you can kill people who don't believe the same as you. The Vatican condones such killings by calling them "holy wars."
A bit wrong there:

Dueteronomy
6:14Ye shall not go afterother gods, of the gods of the people which are round about you;
6:15(For the LORD thy God is a jealous God among you) lest the anger of the LORD thy God be kindled against thee, and destroy thee from off the face of the earth.
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13:6If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
13:7Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
13:8Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
13:9But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
13:10And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
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13:12If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying,
13:13Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;13:14Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;
13:15Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.
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17:2If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant,
17:3And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;
17:4And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel:
17:5Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
17:6At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.
17:7The hands of the witnesses shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterward the hands of all the people. So thou shalt put the evil away from among you.
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