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Old 05-27-2013, 01:15 PM   #61
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Although it would appear unlikely, there do seem to be contextual reasons to consider the possibility that the Toledoth storyline (aside from variations) not written by Jews at all, but according to the suggestion made by Earl, that it was written by gentiles to foment hatred against the Jews, although it may simply have been a way of delegitimizing Judaism further since the gospels ("Crucify him!") should have done the job already, i.e. that the Jews had crucified the Son of God.
And just where did I advocate that the Toledoth was written by gentiles???

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I didn't say you absolutely believed that but that you considered it a possibility. Or perhaps I was reading too much into what you meant because I personally am increasingly convinced that the Toldoth story was not written by Jews.
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As an organized work, all manuscripts come from the medieval period and were actually first published by Christians (leading to the contention that Christians had written it to foment hatred of the Jews). While the latter is very unlikely, only certain elements and themes that later became the complete Toledoth can be traced earlier, with much variation and uncertainty. Some of those themes can be found alluded to in Christian writers of the 2nd and later centuries, but nothing that could identify an actual “book” in ‘print’ and circulation, or even a source in an ur-collection common to the Toledoth.

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Although it would appear unlikely, there do seem to be contextual reasons to consider the possibility that the Toledoth storyline (aside from variations) not written by Jews at all, but according to the suggestion made by Earl, that it was written by gentiles to foment hatred against the Jews, although it may simply have been a way of delegitimizing Judaism further since the gospels ("Crucify him!") should have done the job already, i.e. that the Jews had crucified the Son of God.
And just where did I advocate that the Toledoth was written by gentiles???

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