Chili

Chili is dead serious about what he writes and means every word of it.

muidiri

Oh. Okay then.
Your posts made a lot more sense to me when I thought you were being playful. I'll have to reread them now... get back to you later.

Chili

If I remember correctly, you asked for scriptural support. I just give you a common sense opinion which may not be as common as one likes to believe.God created the essence of existence and all existence with an essence is created by God. From this follows that God is love but not life. Lord God as second cause is life.Each one of usOf course. As first cause he would and still does.Why not? In fact, he can't stop since we, and the rest of the world, keep procreating God in our image.It isn't Gods fault. You've been listening to the wrong preacher. First of all "the curse" was Lord Gods idea and therefore not God's idea. Second, the fall of man was good since it gives us a chance to "color our own world" as independant rational beings with an identity of our own. Next, the curse was given so it would guide us through our journey while we are not always exactly in touch with our environment. Simpy put, our senses serve us well.

Punishment as in hell is neither God's nor Lord God's idea but is a direct result of religions exposing the Tree of Life and believers trying to drag the serpent into the wrong tree (that's how our mind gets 'deflowered').

Anglican

Think of it this way: is anyone going to steal apples from God again?

Chili

Preachers in a puritan moralistic society who want to change the rest of the world to make their place a better playground. It has been said that speech is given to man to hide his secret thoughts but morals are also given to make to make the forbidden fruit more attractive.

The serpent is good. The woman saw that the Tree of Knowledge was good for gaining food wisdom and pleasure. The woman presides over the Tree of Life, which is our soul, and our intuition is the memory of our soul . . . which is rationally ours when we truly know who we really are and can go through life by intuition alone = Freeman no longer torn between his right and left brain.

Toto

The early version of YHWH (God 1.0) was not "good." Goodness and other modern godly qualities came much later, and forced the splitting of nature into good and evil. But for much of the Hebrew Scriptures, God represented a force of nature, powerful but not omnipotent, and was responsible for good and evil. He was to be placated and obeyed, or perhaps struggled with.

After all, why would an omnipotent God walk through the Garden asking where Adam was? He would just know. But then there would be less story to tell.

The serpent in the Garden of Eden was just a serpent. Much later, Christians decided that the serpent was the devil.

"I am Jehovah, and there is none else; besides me there is no God. I will gird you, though you have not known me; that they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none besides me: I am Jehovah, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil. I am Jehovah, who does all these things." (Isa. 45:5-7)

If you start from this premise, and do not try to read later ideas of an omnibenevolent God into things, the story makes a little more sense, at least as a story. It is an explanation of why the world is corrupt and unfair, and it is not clear to me that it was ever meant to be taken as literal truth or a guide to morality.

Chaupoline

I thought Adam was tasked with learning everything about the world. Eve was created to bounce ideas off of Adam and be his companion. By eating from the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil they wanted to take the easy way out to discovering the world. They wanted a cheat code instead of figuring things out on their own. This wasn't what God intended for them. This is why they were banished from the security of Eden. The curse was then that they had to endure the hardships of nature and work. They had to learn from the school of Hard Knocks rather than just observation.

newtype_alpha

Well said, Chili :thumbs:

Plognark

From what i've seen and read it's quite common but short on sense, although I mean no offense on this. Your answers seem quite shakey and strange, not unlike the patchwork job needed to keep a ship from sinking :huh:

Ehhh...I have a suspicion that you've missed my point , and are focusing on the details of what i'm saying, but perhaps it is a result of the language barrier? (I don't recall what your native tongue is, but your command of english appears excellent).

Under Christianity, many sects assert that there is free will. From the attributes given to God, whether it's a triune god or whatever, this is completely illogical and contradictory. That's my point.

So far no interpretation, explanation, or apologetic has been able to get past this, that i'm aware of, although many claim to have done so or pay lip service to the problem without actually demonstrating it's plausibility.

Uhhhhh....

But...it...does...I even posted the passages that indicate it's nothing but a pronoun vs. proper name...

Ok, let me replace the word "doomed" with "destined" or perhaps "predestined". I intended a negative connotation, as in destined for failure, which is why I chose to use the word doomed :huh:

Sheshbazzar

Chili.... "like(s) to tamper with Gods word, and it should be welcome on the atheist board".
So whenever the Bible (any version) does not provide words that fit together with Chili's theories, he has authorized himself to rewrite the text as he sees necessary to fit his theories.
And his understanding of the only true meaning of the text exceeds that of all others, For all others "just have it back wards".
So the rest of mankind might just as well "burn all the Bibles" because all the Bibles are wrong, and Chili is the only authority.