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Old 06-14-2013, 01:08 AM   #1
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The story of Orpheus was old when Ovid told it. In words, in music, in film, successive generations have worked it over, made it their own, every artist or would-be artist finding in it something personal and something new.

When Eurydice, the bride of Orpheus, died of snakebite, Orpheus travelled to the underworld and used his skill in music to open the hearts of the gods, who allowed him to take back his beloved.

One condition was made: that until they had left the underworld behind, Orpheus must not look at his wife's face. He led her towards the light, then, at the last second, his desire defeated him; he looked back, and with that glimpse Eurydice vanished for ever.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2007...val2007.poetry

Just googling and I didn't actually see any comment that Paul might be referencing a famous story. Now why would that be?
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Old 06-16-2013, 11:19 AM   #2
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The story of Orpheus was old when Ovid told it. In words, in music, in film, successive generations have worked it over, made it their own, every artist or would-be artist finding in it something personal and something new.

When Eurydice, the bride of Orpheus, died of snakebite, Orpheus travelled to the underworld and used his skill in music to open the hearts of the gods, who allowed him to take back his beloved.

One condition was made: that until they had left the underworld behind, Orpheus must not look at his wife's face. He led her towards the light, then, at the last second, his desire defeated him; he looked back, and with that glimpse Eurydice vanished for ever.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2007...val2007.poetry

Just googling and I didn't actually see any comment that Paul might be referencing a famous story. Now why would that be?
Nice story and I am not a Paulist enough to say whether he does or does not, but Luke does, and the story really takes place in Luke 1, where if doubt is the opposite to faith it must also be true that it does not belong outside the Cave, and if pleasure is fun it must also be true that pleasure is fun only in opposite to pain where so now Eurydice does not belong outside the Cave.

So it is a faith issue where outside the Cave not daylight but the celestial light radiates, and I write this only to make the distinction between light of life as prior to us and light for the living inside the Cave where here now Hades and Persephone were much the same after the music Orpheus made = peace on earth and all is well with the soul to show that Zechariah's prayer was heard, and Persephone had removed her reproach among the living inside the Cave that so put the 'guardians' asleep, and is it not true that peace among men as the same all over the world?

So in my citation below, after his music softened the hearts of both Hades and Persephone it shows that all opposites were removed by beauty itself, that here now is Persephone on her own who will meet him 'in person' at the gate, where She was stationed from the moment we left Eden, and we there also left her behind as the woman in us when we entered our own Cave in search for riches in life that we can call our own.

So do you see the similarity between the two versions that Cerberus went to sleep after Hades and Persephone became equal? = is peace of mind and peace of soul in the same mind.

Now that Eurydice died suggests that the wedding really is with Persephone 'first person' to which Eurydice will be added without a shadow of doubt, that so makes it a hypostatic union event wherein beauty is prior to life and Eurydice is local to testify on Persephone's behalf in whatever we see, and a 'slave to beauty' we are in the end wherein giving is ours to please the maid we first married (thanksgiving) when we became rational agents now converted to Pure Reason without opposites in pleasure and pain, and I can hear Paul's echo in this.

So now let's call Eurydice Eve as the maid we married when we left Eden as rational being with a mind of our own, as in yes, we all did as human beings outside of Eden when we became rational agents 'in the land of the free', as we call it today, where she actually is temple tramp in our own conscious mind, where so then a vivid Eve is a pleasure to behold with forever the promise of another surprise around the next corner to make, let's say, that makes life interesting for us, as we journey along on our own (and will take licking after licking so we might learn on our own).

To this then add that Persephone always was the greater serpent in us as per Gen 3:16 where She (Persephone) strikes at the head of the lesser serpent, as temple tramp here (Eurydice in our TOK), who in her turn strikes at our heel as restless and moved by desire for more life for the living, it is easy to see what this story is all about.

So here now Persephone was the serpent who killed Eurydice to bring 'beyond theology' about wherein Persephone either gets raped or does not.


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Eurydice was the wife of Orpheus, who loved her dearly; on their wedding day, he played joyful songs as his bride danced through the meadow. One day, a satyr saw and pursued Eurydice, who stepped on a viper, dying instantly. Distraught, Orpheus played and sang so mournfully that all the nymphs and deities wept and told him to travel to the Underworld to retrieve her, which he gladly did. After his music softened the hearts of Hades and Persephone, his singing so sweet that even the Erinyes wept, he was allowed to take her back to the world of the living. In another version, Orpheus played his lyre to put Cerberus, the guardian of Hades, to sleep, after which Eurydice was allowed to return with Orpheus to the world of the living. Either way, the condition was attached that he must walk in front of her and not look back until both had reached the upper world. Soon he began to doubt that she was there, however, and that Hades had deceived him. Just as he reached the portals of Hades and daylight, he turned around to gaze on her face, and because Eurydice had not yet crossed the threshold, she vanished back into the Underworld. When Orpheus later was killed by the Maenads at the orders of Dionysus, his soul ended up in the Underworld where he was reunited with Eurydice.
Bottom line: Eurydice was Eve and Orpheos was the Adam in us called to Order now as second Adam in us and he made beautiful music that brought peace on earth as it is in heaven, where indeed dead lost it's sting . . . until he looked back to show that 'one pig remained' and back to Galilee he went simply because Persephone is prior to reason, religion and all.

Sry, I lost the link to the citation I made.
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