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Zwaarddijk · 03-12-2013, 04:26 AM

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Not to get too off topic - Frank Mucci based his society on the DSS, not the Naag Hammadi scrolls

Alterantive Jesus

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The scrolls, after being translated into English from ancient Aramaic and Hebrew, were hidden away. The translation was given to Frank Mucci, a Jehovah's Witness. When Frank was met with hostility and disbelief within his church, he founded the Edenite Society in 1979. He self published a limited edition of what has become known as "The Humane Gospel of Christ". In the following years Frank was persecuted and derided by other "Christian" groups. He even received death threats. In 1995 Frank asked a colleague to try to publish the Gospel. He published it online. Since the death of John Allegro, no one knows where the scrolls he took are hidden; therefore, the legitimacy of the writings cannot be proven.

Another set of documents was also allegedly found in Tibetan monasteries. They were discovered and translated by Nicolas Notovitch, Swami Abhedananda and Nicholas Roerich around the turn of the last century (1900). These documents chronicle Jesus' life and teachings while in India and Tibet during the years where the Bible has nothing to say. The best known of these documents is titled "The Life of St. Issa". Elizabeth Clare Prophet wrote a book titled "The Lost Years of Jesus" which tells the story of these men and their discoveries in Tibet.

Mucci and Allegro

Jesus was a vegetarian

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Frank Mucci was with the Jehovas Witnesses and a long time friend of John Allegro when he recieved the scroll material. He left the JW's when the leadership refused to consider the authenticity of the scrolls and started a group called the "Edenite Society".

The Society was disbanded in the late 70's after years of death threats from people believed to be associated with the religious right. Frank Mucci passed away recently after suffering severe depression for several years.

There is a "Humane Gospel of Christ" here

I thought that Acharya S's quote in the Christ Conspiracy relating to Mucci was footnoted to Nicholas Notovitch p. 6 = "The Unknown Life of Jesus Christ" which is in a free e-book here - but this does not make a lot of sense.

Perhaps this is one of the errors that Acharya S will correct.

It's in Frank Muccie's foreword to one specific edition of Notovitch's The Unknown Life of Jesus Christ.

Toto · 03-12-2013, 11:43 AM

Do you know which edition?

Acharya S seems to have scrubbed Muccie from her webpage on Jesus in India.

Zwaarddijk · 03-12-2013, 12:54 PM

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Do you know which edition?

Acharya S seems to have scrubbed Muccie from her webpage on Jesus in India.

Tree of Life Books, 1990 (or via: amazon.co.uk) (not 1980 as stated in her bibliography, as no such edition apparently exists.)

aa5874 · 03-12-2013, 03:05 PM

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...You know, my list of Acharya's fabrications is growing every day. It's just tedious to verify whether it's fabrications and not - which is why posts are not as frequently forthcoming. Her books are evidence based? My ass! Her books are full of fabrications, mistranslations, lies, misunderstandings and stupidity.

How is it you can can claim Acharya's "books are full of ......lies?? Why don't you accuse others of writing books that are full of lies??

Please, explain this book--what is it full of??

"Did Jesus Exist?" by Bart Ehrman--page 180.

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To begin with, even though the Gospels are among the best attested books from the ancient world, we are regretably hindered in knowing what the authors of these books originally wrote.

"Did Jesus Exist?" by Bart Ehrman--page 184.

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It is true the Gospels are riddled with other kinds of historical problems and that they relate events that almost certainly did not happen.

Please, "Did Jesus Exist?" by Bart Ehrman is far fuller of something than probably any other book, including those of Acharya, in the HJ/MJ argument.

In one breath, Ehrman declared that the Gospels are among the best attested books in the very next breath, in the very same chapter, he declared the Gospels are RIDDLED with Fiction.

"Did Jesus Exist?" by Bart Ehrman is full of something.

mountainman · 03-12-2013, 06:06 PM

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"Did Jesus Exist?" by Bart Ehrman is full of something.

The book contains masterful rhetoric, chest beating and mantras for the tenured 21st century industry of the Historical Jesus.

It would be useful for those who appear hell-bent on giving Acharya bad reviews for her books to review this book by Erhman.

We could then openly see whether these mythicist bashers are just angry historicists.

It's so easy to hide behind the venting of so-called "scholarly anger".

What is often not visible are the unstated prejudices of these "angry men".

Where are you coming from Zwaarddijk?

OVER.

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outhouse · 03-12-2013, 08:52 PM

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"Did Jesus Exist?" by Bart Ehrman is full of something.

The book contains masterful rhetoric, chest beating and mantras for the tenured 21st century industry of the Historical Jesus.

It would be useful for those who appear hell-bent on giving Acharya bad reviews for her books to review this book by Erhman.

We could then openly see whether these mythicist bashers are just angry historicists.

It's so easy to hide behind the venting of so-called "scholarly anger".

What is often not visible are the unstated prejudices of these "angry men".

Where are you coming from Zwaarddijk?

OVER.

εὐδαιμονία | eudaimonia

Im not angry at all. I just have no time for poor work.

Atleast with Ehrman you can learn something valuable closer reflecting real history then imaginative thinking with no real plausibility.

mountainman · 03-12-2013, 09:27 PM

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Atleast with Ehrman you can learn something valuable closer reflecting real history then imaginative thinking with no real plausibility.

The very first thesis concerning the history of Jesus was not written until the 4th century and has not yet been peer reviewed. Why did the first history of Jesus have to wait until the 4th century? Furthermore, why did the first comparison between Jesus and Apollonius also wait until the 4th century? I can think of a very good reason.

The historians of earlier centuries do not mention Jesus.

Erhman is simply defending his tenure and preaching to the converted.

εὐδαιμονία | eudaimonia

Zwaarddijk · 03-14-2013, 08:11 AM

I see Robert Tulip disappeared again now that serious mistakes have been pointed out. Am I spotting a pattern?

aa5874 · 03-14-2013, 09:09 AM

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Atleast with Ehrman you can learn something valuable closer reflecting real history then imaginative thinking with no real plausibility.

The very first thesis concerning the history of Jesus was not written until the 4th century and has not yet been peer reviewed. Why did the first history of Jesus have to wait until the 4th century? Furthermore, why did the first comparison between Jesus and Apollonius also wait until the 4th century? I can think of a very good reason.

The historians of earlier centuries do not mention Jesus.

Erhman is simply defending his tenure and preaching to the converted.

εὐδαιμονία | eudaimonia

The "history" of Myth Jesus Predated "Church History" attributed to Eusebius.

Manuscripts of the "history" of Myth Jesus born of a Ghost and a Virgin have been found and dated from the 2nd century.

Writings attributed to Eusebius are now confirmed fiction or forgeries.

aa5874 · 03-14-2013, 09:10 AM

The 2nd century is riddled with writers who argued that Jesus was the Son of God born of a Ghost and a Virgin from the supposed Ignatius to Tertullian.

There are no known historical accounts of Jesus of Nazareth a Messianic ruler of Judea during the reign of Tiberius.

All we have are Myth Fables written by the Cult from the 2nd century or later.

The Mythicist position is EXTREMELY strong and cannot ever be overturned based on the present evidence.

There are hundreds of manuscripts that clearly depict Jesus of Nazareth as non-human.

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Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	Do you know which edition? Acharya S seems to have scrubbed Muccie from her webpage on Jesus in India.

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Zwaarddijk Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Finland Posts: 314	I see Robert Tulip disappeared again now that serious mistakes have been pointed out. Am I spotting a pattern?

03-14-2013, 09:10 AM	#630
aa5874 Contributor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: the fringe of the caribbean Posts: 18,988	The 2nd century is riddled with writers who argued that Jesus was the Son of God born of a Ghost and a Virgin from the supposed Ignatius to Tertullian. There are no known historical accounts of Jesus of Nazareth a Messianic ruler of Judea during the reign of Tiberius. All we have are Myth Fables written by the Cult from the 2nd century or later. The Mythicist position is EXTREMELY strong and cannot ever be overturned based on the present evidence. There are hundreds of manuscripts that clearly depict Jesus of Nazareth as non-human.

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