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arnoldo · 01-31-2008, 09:08 AM

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God didn't deceive them. Israel simply didn't have the military might to establish the earthly Kingdom of Israel 2000 years ago. Instead the Roman utterly and completely destroyed Jerusalem. Exactly as Yeshua prophesied,ie no two stones, would happen. Historical facts.

Not really. As has been explained to you several times on here, we have no record of this 'prophecy' from before the destruction took place.

Isn't the New Testament a record?

Sheshonq · 01-31-2008, 09:10 AM

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God didn't deceive them. Israel simply didn't have the military might to establish the earthly Kingdom of Israel 2000 years ago.

Who said military might was needed? That's not what the prophecy says.

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Instead the Roman utterly and completely destroyed Jerusalem. Exactly as Yeshua prophesied,ie no two stones, would happen. Historical facts.

It wasn't that hard to predict, since the Jews had been put down by the Romans several times before. Predicting that the future is gonna look pretty much like the past is hardly a prediction. :rolling:

Sheshonq · 01-31-2008, 09:11 AM

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Not really. As has been explained to you several times on here, we have no record of this 'prophecy' from before the destruction took place.

Isn't the New Testament a record?

Having reading problems again?

from before the destruction took place.

Johnny Skeptic · 01-31-2008, 09:13 AM

Message to arnoldo: Why should anyone care whether or not God is able to predict the future. If he is able to predict the future, what does that prove about his character?

arnoldo · 01-31-2008, 09:14 AM

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Isn't the New Testament a record?

Having reading problems again?

from before the destruction took place.

Do you have any idea whatsoever when the New Testament was written? I have a hypothesis that you will state any time after 70 AD.

makerowner · 01-31-2008, 09:18 AM

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Having reading problems again?

from before the destruction took place.

Do you have any idea whatsoever when the New Testament was written? I have a hypothesis that you will state any time after 70 AD.

The earliest copies come from the 3rd century AD. The gospels are usually dated to the 90s AD. Do you have any idea when they were written? What do you base that idea on?

Johnny Skeptic · 01-31-2008, 09:20 AM

Message to arnoldo: Just so I understand you correctly, are you trying to convince skeptics that God is able to predict the future? If so, I do not care how powerful any being is. All that I care about is a being's character.

arnoldo · 01-31-2008, 09:27 AM

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Do you have any idea whatsoever when the New Testament was written? I have a hypothesis that you will state any time after 70 AD.

The earliest copies come from the 3rd century AD. The gospels usually dated to the 90s AD. Do you have any idea when they were written? What do you base that idea on?

The Gospels were written by the disciples of Yeshua and all lived short lives due to being executed.
http://www.tektonics.org/ntdocdef/gospdefhub.html

Johnny Skeptic · 01-31-2008, 09:28 AM

Message to arnoldo: Just so I understand you correctly, are you trying to convince skeptics that God is able to predict the future? If so, I do not care how powerful any being is. All that I care about is a being's character.

Johnny Skeptic · 01-31-2008, 09:34 AM

Message to arnoldo: During the early part of the second century, Trajan went to Palestine to put down a Jewish uprising and killed 500,000 Jews. Why did God allow Trajan to kill 500,000 Jews?

If you decided that you wanted to protect John Smith from being attacked by his enemies because John Smith was your friend, would you injure or kill him? Of course you wouldn't, which invites the question "If God wanted to protect Jews from their enemies, why did he sometimes injure or kill them with storms and harmful microorganisms? With parasites alone, God has killed more people than all of the wars in history, and he has done so indiscriminately without any regard for a person's worldview. It is utter nonsense for anyone to assume that God would protect Jews from being injured or killed by humans, but not from being injured or killed by anything else. If you love someone, you want to protect them from all harm. If the God of the Bible does not exist, that explains why Jews were killed by parasites and storms just like everyone else was.

If God's promise to protect the Jews was conditional upon good behavior, why did God force Jewish babies to suffer for their parents' disobedience?

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01-31-2008, 09:13 AM	#924
Johnny Skeptic Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 19,796	Message to arnoldo: Why should anyone care whether or not God is able to predict the future. If he is able to predict the future, what does that prove about his character?

01-31-2008, 09:20 AM	#927
Johnny Skeptic Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 19,796	Message to arnoldo: Just so I understand you correctly, are you trying to convince skeptics that God is able to predict the future? If so, I do not care how powerful any being is. All that I care about is a being's character.

01-31-2008, 09:28 AM	#929
Johnny Skeptic Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 19,796	Message to arnoldo: Just so I understand you correctly, are you trying to convince skeptics that God is able to predict the future? If so, I do not care how powerful any being is. All that I care about is a being's character.

01-31-2008, 09:34 AM	#930
Johnny Skeptic Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 19,796	Message to arnoldo: During the early part of the second century, Trajan went to Palestine to put down a Jewish uprising and killed 500,000 Jews. Why did God allow Trajan to kill 500,000 Jews? If you decided that you wanted to protect John Smith from being attacked by his enemies because John Smith was your friend, would you injure or kill him? Of course you wouldn't, which invites the question "If God wanted to protect Jews from their enemies, why did he sometimes injure or kill them with storms and harmful microorganisms? With parasites alone, God has killed more people than all of the wars in history, and he has done so indiscriminately without any regard for a person's worldview. It is utter nonsense for anyone to assume that God would protect Jews from being injured or killed by humans, but not from being injured or killed by anything else. If you love someone, you want to protect them from all harm. If the God of the Bible does not exist, that explains why Jews were killed by parasites and storms just like everyone else was. If God's promise to protect the Jews was conditional upon good behavior, why did God force Jewish babies to suffer for their parents' disobedience?

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