Darklighter

Also, if Bible prophecies are not vague, then why are there more interpretations of the Book of Revelation than there are christian churches? I've studied several interpretations and none agree with each other, yet they all claim to be the "right" one and blather about "amazing accuracy". Same goes for other prophecies. Matthew 24, Daniel, Ezekiel... Good luck finding 2 Christians that agree on what they mean.

And yet...

Proof positive that God doesn't exist! :rolling:

Newfie

So true, but also consider the thousands of versions of the Bible from which the thousands of different interpretations come from. It would be a somewhat different story if all these people were fighting over the interpretation of the exact same text, but they can’t even agree on the text itself. It would be like getting an accurate horoscope reading from thousands of readers, which would be varied and entertaining enough, but imagine if they couldn’t even agree on what date you were born or if Saturn was really Saturn, or in fact really Mars?

Oh, God could still exist. It would just mean that people like SHM who add to the confusion by choosing to increase the number of interpretations are not among “the saints.”

Differing interpretations of Bible prophecy have been around well before Jesus’ time otherwise there would have been agreement on the issue of his being messiah. Likely only very contemporary audiences understood universally the meaning of Daniel’s prophecies and who the four kingdoms were. I doubt that they were thinking of “Europe” or “America” at the time.

Sheshonq

Wrong. The people who controlled the Roman Empire were the Romans.

Also wrong.

Also wrong - for multiple reasons.

In point of fact, the Roman Empire did not fall - it merely moved east to Constantinople. Where it kept on going for another thousand years.

So? That's just another mistake by the author(s) of Daniel.

Not much use in doing that, if you cannot support your current thread.

ROFLMAO

Lord Emsworth

After that, what is given is - unsurprisingly - NOT Daniel giving the meaning, but sugarhitman. :rolleyes

(OTOH maybe Sugarhitman is Daniel.)

sugarhitman

Critics are going so far as to try and seperate the European nations from the Roman empire. And yet those nations who once dominated the Empire (Italy, France, Germany) are now leading the E.U. in unifying Europe (which was what the Roman Empire tried to do). And "Within the E.U., supporters of European intergration often appeal to a SHARED EUROPEAN HISTORICAL/CULTURAL HERITAGE, TYPICALLY INCLUDING ANCIENT GREECE AND ANCIENT ROME...." WIKIPEDIA THE EUROPEAN UNION. You are seperating the Romans from the Europeans.....they do not distinguish themselves from these empires including Rome. Daniel was 100% accurate concerinig the 4th kingdom and its division. :wave:

funinspace

And you keep evading direct and clear arguments that demonstrate that position is untenable.

You still ignore my point (4) If you claim these other empires are just a subset of the Roman empire, then logically the Roman empire is just a subset of the Greek empire. Therefore you do not have your proclaimed 4 kingdoms.

So your claims are still empty and crash on their own twisted arguments. And by your own methodologies, there is no fourth kingdom. Therefore Daniel still does not work as valid prophecy.

sy2502

So now the E.U. is a kingdom that will swallow the entire earth? Come on!!! The E.U. is a lose association of constantly bickering sovereign countries, and it has little influence on the workings of the rest of the world. In fact, it has little influence even on the countries that make the Union, except pissing them off frequently. Heck, the US has more influence over the rest of the world than the E.U.

funinspace

You'll have to read further up this strange thread to see that he also lumps the US with Europe, oh and the US controls the UN as well. You see that we (US) are just an extension of Europe, so he can mash the square Daniel peg, in the round hole of history...

sy2502

Oh I see, so the last of Daniel's kingdom swallows the entire earth because... it corresponds to all of the major countries in the world lumped together?
Well, if you put it that way, you can make that prophecy say pretty much anything... oh wait, that's precisely the case!!!

Sheshonq

No, we just know far more about ancient Rome and modern Europe than you do.

1. "The Empire" was never dominated by France; Gaul (France) was a conquered territory.
2. The only part of modern day Europe that dominated the Roman Empire was Italy.
3. Germany? The Roman Empire never included Germany.

Which is far more cultural more than it is historical, since Rome didn't rule half (or more) of modern Europe, and Greece failed to conquer 95% of it. You were already informed of these glaring, inconvenient facts here:

By the way, Rome did not "conquer the Europeans". Rome conquered the Mediterranean Basin plus modern-day France and England. They had no territory north of the Rhine and (after Aurelian abandoned Dacia) the Danube. They never ruled Scotland, Germany, Poland, the Baltic states, any of the former USSR, Scandinavia, Hungary, former Yugoslavia (except the coast), Slovakia, Bohemia, Moravia, or Ireland.


Pull the shit out of your ears.