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02-09-2007, 04:16 PM | #1 |
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Islam and Black Slavery
Im sick of the black muslims and Arabs talking about the lack of racism in islam. the most absurd thing that i have ever heard in my life is that islalm is the Black mans religion. do this people not realise the 1500 slave trade that existed between arabia and africa. why would someone change from christianity to islam becasue thats the black mans religion. this claim is absurd to people who know that slavery was universal and that islam had as many slaves as christianity.
theres more from this article. which gives a biased account but is still usefull. http://archive.salon.com/books/int/2...gal/index.html |
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I'm sure slavery wasn't absent in Islamic history, but I'm fairly sure it was a lot less common than in Christian history.
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The problem is the slave trade as based upon race is more of a Christian/American thing. Sure, slavery has "always" been around, but often times it was just a mix of what we call "races" it was Americans (noticeably Jefferson) who justified it by developing this concept of race (which we all know is just a social construct), to try to show that these people were deserving of slavery because of their race.
We need to remember not to confuse all slavery with racism, as often slavery wasnt based upon race. |
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Race is not a social construct.
CORRECTION EDIT: The races as they are divided may be and probably are at least somewhat defined arbitrarily, but genetic differences between groups of humans is undeniable. For example, people of purely African descent are certainly much different, both genetically and phenotypically, from those of Western European descent. I suppose the issue depends on how you define "race." So I think what NYGreenGuy said and what I initially said are both inaccurate. |
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02-09-2007, 07:01 PM | #6 |
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I think what people forget is that slavery generally applies to those who can NOT meet certain criteria, whether they be physical, ethnic or otherwise arbitrary. Its not like just anyone was exempt
But this idea of "race" being Jeffersonian; I have never heard that. Did he just popularize a prevailing opinion or was it his? Curious. |
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His "Notes on Virginia" is what many have considered to really start it.
They were attempts to scientifically justify racism. Its really quite interesting and im still learning about it, so I really shouldnt say too much. |
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arab slavery also had racism in it. the common word for blacks today is "abd" which means slave. The majority of the slaves in the middle east were black and the islamic world had more slaves transported to it then the new world. you have to also consider that many of them died in the sahara or during the journey through the athlantic ocean. Im not looking for who is worse, im just pointing out the absurdity of black converts yapping about how christianity is the slavery religion when the religion that they are converting to is just as bad. Im sick of hearing that islam was not racial, it did not have other muslims as slaves, who gives a shit, slavery is evil period. slavery became the moral question in the west but this was not much of an issue from non western socities where slavery was questioned. the west made the infriority of blacks the reason for whites owning them and this has lead to the evil bigotry of the west. islamic societies are just as equal in their contempt of blacks and never hide their beliefs. i dont think the author of the book knows what hes talking about when he says that being black was not a stigma.
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Arabs are pretty racist not just against blacks but against south asians. For that matter, blacks are sometimes racist against South Asians. And South Asians may be racist against blacks. They used to be racist against whites too, but then they were ruled by whites and that had to change.
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02-12-2007, 09:27 AM | #10 |
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Is the article biased? I have Segal and I can't see a problem.
Islam is not a religion of peace and understanding. |
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