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Old 02-17-2009, 08:06 PM   #141
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I don't think you or Joan has really spelt out your "scenario" very well at all - we have had to drag it out of you kicking and screaming.


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Does that accurately portray what you think happened?
I just read your discussion with Amaleq13 from the point at which I think it started, and I think you are just plain missing the point. For you, as late as post #132 of this thread, to ask whether a list of events accurately portrays what Amaleq13 thinks happened betrays an inability to cope with hypotheticals.

It also seemed to me that Joan of Bark was being reasonably clear.

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Look, most of the problems are summed up in this statement by Amaleq13:
"For the last time, I am not suggesting that anyone was being deliberately deceptive. Please make an effort to wrap your head around that rather simple concept so you can stop wasting time complaining about straw men."
I took that to mean what it appears to say - that Amaleq13 believes no-one was being deliberately deceptive - Jesus, his followers, the witness and the authors of the gospels etc.
What ensued is just blatant arrogant insulting.
If I have not understood something then it is quite likely that it was not explained properly or that we are both looking at something entirely differently.
To start abusing is disgusting and not fitting for a moderator.
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Old 02-18-2009, 08:57 AM   #142
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Look, most of the problems are summed up in this statement by Amaleq13:
"For the last time, I am not suggesting that anyone was being deliberately deceptive. Please make an effort to wrap your head around that rather simple concept so you can stop wasting time complaining about straw men."
I took that to mean what it appears to say - that Amaleq13 believes no-one was being deliberately deceptive - Jesus, his followers, the witness and the authors of the gospels etc.
I completely agree that this example sums up the problem with your reading of my posts.

The first time you posted this clearly wrong assumption, I responded with the following (unanswered) questions:
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Why do you want to suddenly change the topic from the coherency of the story without true miracles to whether the author believed everything he wrote really happened?

How could you get that conclusion from my inclusion of the possibility of completely fictional scenes?
The first question should tell one that I consider what the author(s) believed to be irrelevant to my point. The second should tell one that what I had already written denied the stated assumption.

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What ensued is just blatant arrogant insulting.
What ensued was calling you out for clearly not actually paying attention to the posts to which you are responding. I doubt there is any better example. I will grant that it is possible not everyone would understand that a person who describes some of the miracle stories as "Deliberate deception or fabrication" doesn't assume the author believed everything he wrote. I say "possible" but that is, IMO, being very kind. What is certainly not possible for someone who actually read the posts is to come away from the second post with the same misunderstanding. Nobody who is capable of using a computer and participating in these discussion can be that dense. It makes your lack of careful reading quite painfully clear.

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If I have not understood something then it is quite likely that it was not explained properly or that we are both looking at something entirely differently.
Bullshit. There is nothing unclear about my questions above. If there was, answering them rather than ignoring them is the appropriate response.

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To start abusing is disgusting and not fitting for a moderator.
I was just wondering when someone would throw in the moderator red herring. My moderator status is irrelevant. I'm just a member in this discussion.

Relentlessly arrogant and apparently willful ignorance combined with blatantly false accusations pisses me off. I am actually quite pleasant to those who are intellectually honest enough to take the time to actually read my posts before responding. You have clearly earned the disdain you obtained. Step up your game and quit bitching about being accurately called out for your negligence.
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Look, most of the problems are summed up in this statement by Amaleq13:
"For the last time, I am not suggesting that anyone was being deliberately deceptive. Please make an effort to wrap your head around that rather simple concept so you can stop wasting time complaining about straw men."
I took that to mean what it appears to say - that Amaleq13 believes no-one was being deliberately deceptive - Jesus, his followers, the witness and the authors of the gospels etc.
I completely agree that this example sums up the problem with your reading of my posts.

The first time you posted this clearly wrong assumption, I responded with the following (unanswered) questions:


The first question should tell one that I consider what the author(s) believed to be irrelevant to my point. The second should tell one that what I had already written denied the stated assumption.



What ensued was calling you out for clearly not actually paying attention to the posts to which you are responding. I doubt there is any better example. I will grant that it is possible not everyone would understand that a person who describes some of the miracle stories as "Deliberate deception or fabrication" doesn't assume the author believed everything he wrote. I say "possible" but that is, IMO, being very kind. What is certainly not possible for someone who actually read the posts is to come away from the second post with the same misunderstanding. Nobody who is capable of using a computer and participating in these discussion can be that dense. It makes your lack of careful reading quite painfully clear.



Bullshit. There is nothing unclear about my questions above. If there was, answering them rather than ignoring them is the appropriate response.

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To start abusing is disgusting and not fitting for a moderator.
I was just wondering when someone would throw in the moderator red herring. My moderator status is irrelevant. I'm just a member in this discussion.

Relentlessly arrogant and apparently willful ignorance combined with blatantly false accusations pisses me off. I am actually quite pleasant to those who are intellectually honest enough to take the time to actually read my posts before responding. You have clearly earned the disdain you obtained. Step up your game and quit bitching about being accurately called out for your negligence.
I will have to assume that I am very dumb and not able to read stuff very well - I have tried again, reading the whole thread and I still can not understand what you have been trying to say.
I will bow to your superior skills and will bow out of these forums - they are way above me.
There seems to be something wrong with my ability to comprehend some writings sometimes.
I enjoy growing vegetables, chooks and quails and helping my children and grandchildren.
I will stick to that and not look into religions ever again - it is way too complicated for my brain and I get way to hurt when people attack me. I don't need or deserve this stress.
I hope you continue to enjoy your site and the discussions that you get involved in.
Goodbye.
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Old 02-18-2009, 12:50 PM   #144
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If you knew that about yourself before our encounter, why would you protest when someone suggested it was happening again?

Ask before assuming.

State what you think was meant and pay attention if you are told otherwise.

Good luck with your future endeavors (in case you check back in some time).
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