jonesg

lets say God revealed the truth to you, it would be impossible to describe in available words and in our understanding of reality.

Mageth

Then it would be of absolutely no use to you or anyone else. You might as well say "Here is the Truth: gblazicalsatayim."

usaaok

Lol. If God revealed the truth to us on our deathbed or after death on the judgement day, what would we say, we would be in the shit a bit really. But i think i can say with some confidence that aint gana happen so lets not worry about it.

Still theres always a possibility.Lol. :devil1:

I've been up watching TV all night, and infidels is pretty quiet this time of night. Dont ask me why the hell i'm online now, but im bored,and cant get to sleep. Now is the time we get a lot of foreigners online, so i get to mix and chat with them.Think i will get to bed at 5:00. :thumbs:

sgary

Thanks for the reply TC, I thought the orignal post was asking about the documentation of the afterlife, I then said something like: secular secience says you're in a hole, then I added scripture.
As far as promoting a doctrine?.. I was just using scripture, looking for truth. And there is no "chase" to cut to, look there is more, to back up what I have said about the secound coming, and It's not what preachers have been teaching.

1st Cor. 15.49 "And as we have born the image of the earthly, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. (50) Now this I say, breathren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. (51) Behold I shew you a mystery; we shall not all sleep, but we all be changed, (51) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

He won't hide, the whole world will see, and He 's not going to be a babe. He's coming to take what's His, that includes you, and me.
sgary (I added the bold to the KJV)

Alji

That's like using a script from STAR TREK to prove aliens exist! :rolling:

TruthCounsellor

Welll... let's just say that's how a lot of doctrines get promoted.

I suppose it depends on what preachers you're referring to. (As I've heard a lot of different stuff taught over the years.) So, if it's not what you've heard any teach... what exactly are you saying it is that's "different" from what you think they're saying it is? And please... you're going to have to do a little more than merely quote a verse of two of scripture for me, and then say that he's coming to take what's his. I'm quite familiar with the ones you've quoted already, and I've heard lot's of preachers talk similarly about him coming back as king of kings, and lord of lords. It's all the other little details on just exactly how it (and/or the order of events) might be that he's going to do that, that you seem to be coming up a little short on...

TC

tentative

The biblical references (all of them) to an afterlife should be seen as metaphor. "Dust to dust" is guaranteed. It seems to me that the issue isn't whether our return to that which is will be in corporeal or 'spirit' form, but whether 'I/me' will endure. Those who reject a christian god also reject that there is an I/me afterlife. Those with who profess a christian personal god are assured that I/me will survive to meet their loved ones in heaven (or hell). Whether a corporeal or spiritual 'body', the issue is about an everlasting soul. So, do we disappear or not?

JT

BlessNot

There is no original doctrine of the afterlife, heaven/hell, it is all based on the common fundamentalist argument from wishful thinking.

There is no afterlife, no soul and no god, we're all alone in the universe and that's just the way it is, so we might as well just get used to it.

:devil3:

sgary

Well I'm just like you, stuck on this water cooled rock with a molten center, spinning through space, looking for answers?
And when we see a preacher begging grandma out of her rent money, at the same time telling people the world is going to end, that's the preacher I'm talking about (sorry for not making that more clear).
It just seems people have lost their common sense and ability to read? And I came here to read what people (that think like me, even if they don't believe like me), are saying, to the people that teach/believe 'the world is 6,000 years old, or going to end', are saying?

I guess I could have looked out the window, (but that's all clouded up with the stipid ones) but here, I can talk to someone from say..China? and that would be cool. Bunch of smart people here, and I like that!
So I'm not here to convert anyone, or preach, but to gain knowledge, and "question" a preacher/teacher that would teach something like the example I used. Also to help, if I can? (back on topic)

When I asked for your help, I thought you would say something like: everybody is in heaven, with a gulf dividing good/bad,and when the *age* changes, God brings it with Him, then judgment.
Or say something like what BlessNot said? but untill the flesh dies, we make up our own minds?
sgary.

TruthCounsellor

I am not persuaded that the soul is everlasting. However, eternal life is.

TC