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Old 05-12-2005, 03:16 PM   #11
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All of the Gospels are written in Greek. All of the words that Jesus speaks in the Gospels are Greek (except for a very few instances of Aramaic). We do not have an original Aramaic record of the words of Jesus.
I would dispute this.
Can you show where any scholar has shown this to be the case
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I would dispute this.
Can you show where any scholar has shown this to be the case
For which part, that the Gospels are in Greek or that we don't have an Aramaic record of the words of Jesus? Both of these things are self-evident.
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I would dispute this.
Can you show where any scholar has shown this to be the case
The earliest documentation is in Greek. The Greek, despite various efforts to the contrary, shows no convincing signs of an Aramaic substratum. It is that simple. Diogenes the Cynic has said nothing controversial when he says:

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All of the Gospels are written in Greek. All of the words that Jesus speaks in the Gospels are Greek (except for a very few instances of Aramaic). We do not have an original Aramaic record of the words of Jesus.

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ps : for the word "Gospel" it is a translation of the Greek, but Jesus did use words not araméens in the NT?
Now i finally think I see what you are after.

Jesus refers to beelzebub (Lord of the flies) Aramaic.

Jesus nicknames two disciples bnay raghshee (sons of thunder) which is transliterated into the greek as Boanerges .

Gesthemene is Aramaic (a place).

Golgotha is Aramaic (a place).

Qorban is Aramaic (a religious term).
All these words occur in the greek versions

Jesus is recorded spaeking Aramaic on the cross as well.
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The earliest documentation is in Greek.


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Yes but before we found the dead sea scrolls the earliest hebrew bible was in greek too.
Those believers from the more semitic traditions did not keep old and dmaged copies of thier sacred writings, they copied them and destroyed the dmaged ones.

That is one reason why we find many many greek fragments.

We don't tend to find this with the peshitta
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For which part, that the Gospels are in Greek or that we don't have an Aramaic record of the words of Jesus? Both of these things are self-evident.
Self evident?
This sounds like a religious cult.
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Both Aramaic and Greek are translations from Hebrew.

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Both Aramaic and Greek are translations from Hebrew.
Certainly not for the NT.
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Certainly not for the NT.
Certainly for the NT! :rolling: :rolling: :rolling:
I am beginning to think that you can't read French...
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Certainly for the NT! :rolling: :rolling: :rolling:
I am beginning to think that you can't read French...
I must admit I don't get it
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