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Old 12-22-2012, 12:37 PM   #21
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I seek to understand in the historical sense how the idea of Jesus was associated with the majesty of the Roman state.



It would be a term that evolved and became more profound with time.


To understand the evolution, one needs to understand how Romans worshipping Judaism for generations applied their own mythology to Judaism, ALL based on the oral traditions from the crucifiction at passover.

Whether you assume there is or isnt a HJ, based on scripture, it is safe to assume a event/crucifiction of a Jewish troublemaker did happen during said passover.
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People INVENTED their own Lochness monster and Majestic Jesus.
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I have these for the Loch Ness Monster thanks to Philosopher Jay's past research.

Who first gave Jesus the official majesty of state?
'To us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called wonderful counsellor, mighty God, everlasting father, prince of peace.' Isa 9:6
The LXX was an option listed in the opening post.
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By what process was this majesty transferred to the Roman State?
By a process common wherever the Roman State spread its baneful, bloody aegis. The kings of many peoples, all over Europe, learned the truth of the adage, "Si non cecidit, iunge."

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"If you can't beat 'em, join 'em."
The process also included the imperial legislation that "Religious privileges are reserved for Chrestians/Christians".
You are surely not posting this in the belief that it meant what it said?

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The law appears in Codex Theodosianus dated to 326 CE.


The pagan temples were being systematically destroyed.
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I seek to understand in the historical sense how the idea of Jesus was associated with the majesty of the Roman state.



It would be a term that evolved and became more profound with time.

In the time of Diocletian the majesty of the Roman state supported Asclepius, Hercules, Apollo and a few other cults. The majesty of the Jesus figure according to Eusebius intercepted the communications between the god Apollo and his priests - an event which precipitated a persecution of the followers of the Jesus figure.

The majesty of the Jesus figure according to church legend evolved and became more profound in the occult, behind the scenes invocations to the gods.

But it was not until the appearance of Bullneck that the Jesus figure duly received the recognition of the majesty of the Roman state.
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Is this impressive? Or just ridiculously pompous and silly?
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I seek to understand in the historical sense how the idea of Jesus was associated with the majesty of the Roman state.



It would be a term that evolved and became more profound with time.

In the time of Diocletian the majesty of the Roman state supported Asclepius, Hercules, Apollo and a few other cults. The majesty of the Jesus figure according to Eusebius intercepted the communications between the god Apollo and his priests - an event which precipitated a persecution of the followers of the Jesus figure.

The majesty of the Jesus figure according to church legend evolved and became more profound in the occult, behind the scenes invocations to the gods.

But it was not until the appearance of Bullneck that the Jesus figure duly received the recognition of the majesty of the Roman state.
I can see that they were persecuting the Jesus worshipers, and after that it is wrong to assmune that Bullneck organized a new kind of Jesus worshiping because that is something that Catholics do not do, nor do they ever pray to him.

In fact, that exactly is what pisses off the protestants most of all, and actually try to find all kind of silly excuses to pardon Catholics for doing all those hail Mary's instead.

But you can see why, according to them, the gates to hell are open far and wide to let all these Jesus worshipers in, who, according to them, are going in the wrong direction.
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For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

Cunningly devised fables?

Eyewitnesses ?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_regalia_and_insignia

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Or just ridiculously pompous and silly?

The latter.

The Vatican has a history of course, all the way back to Damasus in the later 4th century.
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People INVENTED their own Lochness monster and Majestic Jesus.
I am seeking names and dates please aa5874.

I have these for the Loch Ness Monster thanks to Philosopher Jay's past research.

Who first gave Jesus the official majesty of state?
'To us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called wonderful counsellor, mighty God, everlasting father, prince of peace.' Isa 9:6
The LXX was an option listed in the opening post.
It was funny the first time.

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By what process was this majesty transferred to the Roman State?
By a process common wherever the Roman State spread its baneful, bloody aegis. The kings of many peoples, all over Europe, learned the truth of the adage, "Si non cecidit, iunge."

or,

"If you can't beat 'em, join 'em."
The process also included the imperial legislation that "Religious privileges are reserved for Chrestians/Christians".
You are surely not posting this in the belief that it meant what it said?

:constern02:

The law appears in Codex Theodosianus dated to 326 CE.
Find it in the Bible, and you can post here without seeming like a very tedious Jesuit.

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The pagan temples were being systematically destroyed.
Big deal. Replaced by others. As you know.

Write something worth reading. Just for once. Not the same old stale jokes.
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In the time of Diocletian the majesty of the Roman state supported Asclepius, Hercules, Apollo and a few other cults. .

Sorry your wrong.


Asclepius had been supported before that. This has nothing at all to the Jesus charactor, even though I know where your pulling this from.

Romans more or less wrote the NT and their hellenistic influence while competing with Roman divinity while noted, Does not change the evolutionary pattern of the legend.

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The majesty of the Jesus figure according to Eusebius intercepted the communications between the god Apollo and his priests - an event which precipitated a persecution of the followers of the Jesus figure.

Talking about Eusebius, only gives us a snapshot of what the Christian movement was like 300 years after it started


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The majesty of the Jesus figure according to church legend evolved and became more profound in the occult, behind the scenes invocations to the gods.

But it was not until the appearance of Bullneck that the Jesus figure duly received the recognition of the majesty of the Roman state
Constantine is the main reason this deity figure recieved recognition.
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The law appears in Codex Theodosianus dated to 326 CE.
Find it in the Bible, and you can post here without seeming like a very tedious Jesuit.
The H in BC&H is ancient history. The bible is a pseudo-historical account and its appearance (OT and NT) and the political history of its appearance may quite validly be sought outside the text of the bible. This is history. That's where other sources such as the above fit in.


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The pagan temples were being systematically destroyed.
Big deal. Replaced by others. As you know.

Write something worth reading. Just for once. Not the same old stale jokes.

The majesty of the new god Jesus was enhanced by destroying the majesty of the old gods in a very physical oppressive and fascist manner. The war commander who was using the army to destroy the old culture was the same person who lavishly published the bible and gave to [edit] Jesus [edit] the majesty of state. No jokes.

Within a generation the incumbent imperial regime was conducting auto de fes against anyone who refused to confess to the majesty of this book character [edit] Jesus [edit]. These inquisitions (c.358 CE) where thousands were executed and tortured were a direct result of the seriousness with which the emperor treated the majesty of the new Roman god.
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