Malachi151

http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/enoch.html

I am just curious. The story seems to be about the heavenly rulers of the world, or angles that have affected the events on earth. I am curious, are these angles "archons"?

jgibson000

Once again, there is no such word in Greek as "archons", even if "ch" = the Greek letter Chi. And to think that "archons" is an acceptable way of representing the plural form of the Greek word which is used of the beings you speak of above is not only to reveal that one who wants to speak authoritatively on matters Greek (not to mention matters biblical) has no Greek, but is to commit an egregious barbarism.

Please! The nominative plural of archOn/ARXWN/ARCWN (alpha rho chi omega nu) is archontai/ARXONTAI/ARCONTAI (alpha rho chi omicron nu tau alpha iota).

As to whether the word used for the heavenly beings (whether right, acute, obtuse, etc.) mentioned in Enoch is a form of the Greek word ARXWN, the answer is no. But that's not only because Enoch was not written in Greek. It's because the book has only come down to us in Ethiopic and Hebrew.

What you really want to ask is: is the Ethiopic or Hebrew word that is used in Enoch for the heavenly beings it mentions the Ethiopic/Hebrew equivalent to ARXWN or the word/words which the LXX translators of the Hebrew Bible translate with ARXWN.

If you are referring to the "Watchers" in Enoch, the answer is no.

JG

mountainman

If you have not yet read the book, try and find
Uriel's Machine - by Lomax and Knight.

The authors make a few claims; specifically related to the
Book of Enoch .....

1) Uriel takes Enoch high above the earth to witness a comet impact
which resulted in mega-tsunamis around the planet, and global flood
with very few survivors, in the year 7640 BCE; a second impactor is
claimed just in the Mediterranean region circa. 3100 BCE, out of which
ashes arises the reborn Egyptian civilisation.

2) Sections from Enoch provide specifications for the construction and
theory behind the megalithic structures (standing stones, domens, etc)
scattered by the thousands around western europe and the british isles,
and thought to have constructed c.4500-3500 BCE.
3) Uriel is considered -- from memory -- an "arch angel". There
is little direct action taken by Uriel, apart from taking Enoch
aside and allowing him to view a cataclysmic scene, and in
the revelation of knowledge to Enoch.
4) The megalithic builders derived some common denominator of
measurement, later called "the megalithic yard", by Prf.Thom et al.
5) The same building principles were then used for both the pyramids
of Egypt, and the Temples of the Ancient Judaic kings, such as the
Temple of Solomon.
6) The foundation stone for one of these (Judaic) temples was taken
to Ireland BCE, due to oppresssion, to start the lineage of the Irish
Kings, and the same stone is used for the coronation of kings and
queens today (is one of the claims by these authors)

jgibson000

[snip]

What on earth does this (utter nonsense) have to do with the linguistic question asked?

JG

Toto

Uriel's Machine: Uncovering the Secrets of Stonehenge, Noah's Flood, and the Dawn of Civilization (or via: amazon.co.uk)
Author(s): Knight, Christopher; Lomas, Robert

The authors are Freemasons.I guess this would be for entertainment purposes only? It's not exactly BCH.

mountainman

I mentioned the book because:

It's perspective is the pre-history of the H in BCH.
History is an important consideration, and thus its
prehistory is also important to understand, and

The authors afford an independently derived chronology
for the purported Noah's Flood, mention in the B in BCH.
This is for some researchers, contributionary.

A million apologists for the tangentiation.
As you were.

jgibson000

Are you actually saying that the authors of this work are good historians and that what they have to say is something that deserves any, let alone serious, consideration?

If so, what criteria are you using to judge (a) who is an who is not a good historian and (b) what is a credible vs incredible/valuable vs. worthless and insupportable historical reconstruction?

JG

mountainman

Actually I am saying that every author deserves the right
to be read and researched for their contribution(s) towards
an understanding of antiquity. Pontification by readers on
the quality and quantity of what they have to say will depend
upon the eye of the beholder.

General understandings of the timeline of prehistory.
Perhaps a bit of this and a bit of that. What do you
seek in your research, if you dont mind me asking.

The operative word being the pre. The authors from
memory cover the megalithic structures, and the very
earliest known hieroglyphs which many share, from
the period commencing c.4500 BCE. Pre-History.

RED DAVE

From mountainman:
From memory? What the fuck does that mean?

RED DAVE

Amaleq13

I believe he is referring to his own memory of the book.