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Old 01-24-2013, 03:00 PM   #31
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A less known newspeak term is "Crimestop", to rid oneself of unwanted thoughts, i.e., thoughts that interfere with the ideology of the Party. This way, a person avoids committing thoughtcrime. Orwell defines crimestop as "protective stupidity", something Brodie may find to be amongst the chief weaponry of the inquisition.

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In the novel, we hear about crimestop through the eyes of protagonist Winston Smith: "The mind should develop a blind spot whenever a dangerous thought presented itself. The process should be automatic, instinctive. Crimestop, they called it in Newspeak. He set to work to exercise himself in crimestop. He presented himself with propositions -- 'the Party says the earth is flat', 'the party says that ice is heavier than water' -- and trained himself in not seeing or not understanding the arguments that contradicted them. Orwell also describes crimestop from the perspective of Emmanuel Goldstein in the book The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism: Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity.
It is no doubt that philosophically Brodie is wrong and will be censored to protect stupidity to spead by those in the know. He can believe what he wants, but not spread it like 'good news' from their pulpit with a Nihil Obstat attached to it as Shepherd in charge of their flock.
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A committee is now examining his work and will meet with Fr Brodie to discuss it.”
They don't call it The Inquisition anymore, do they?
Not until Brodie is snatched by Ratzinger's Goon Squad and brought back to the Vatican for a "private confession".
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Good point Robert.

Brodie is likely to find "protective stupidity" to be amongst the chief weaponry of his "Peer reviewed Firing Squad".







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A less known newspeak term is "Crimestop", to rid oneself of unwanted thoughts, i.e., thoughts that interfere with the ideology of the Party. This way, a person avoids committing thoughtcrime. Orwell defines crimestop as "protective stupidity", something Brodie may find to be amongst the chief weaponry of the inquisition.

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In the novel, we hear about crimestop through the eyes of protagonist Winston Smith: "The mind should develop a blind spot whenever a dangerous thought presented itself. The process should be automatic, instinctive. Crimestop, they called it in Newspeak. He set to work to exercise himself in crimestop. He presented himself with propositions -- 'the Party says the earth is flat', 'the party says that ice is heavier than water' -- and trained himself in not seeing or not understanding the arguments that contradicted them. Orwell also describes crimestop from the perspective of Emmanuel Goldstein in the book The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism: Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity.
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Good point Robert.

Brodie is likely to find "protective stupidity" to be amongst the chief weaponry of his "Peer reviewed Firing Squad".







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A less known newspeak term is "Crimestop", to rid oneself of unwanted thoughts, i.e., thoughts that interfere with the ideology of the Party. This way, a person avoids committing thoughtcrime. Orwell defines crimestop as "protective stupidity", something Brodie may find to be amongst the chief weaponry of the inquisition.

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In the novel, we hear about crimestop through the eyes of protagonist Winston Smith: "The mind should develop a blind spot whenever a dangerous thought presented itself. The process should be automatic, instinctive. Crimestop, they called it in Newspeak. He set to work to exercise himself in crimestop. He presented himself with propositions -- 'the Party says the earth is flat', 'the party says that ice is heavier than water' -- and trained himself in not seeing or not understanding the arguments that contradicted them. Orwell also describes crimestop from the perspective of Emmanuel Goldstein in the book The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism: Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity.
Bolding mine.

Just backwards again and now Newsweek is the criminal for perverting analogies as clod-hoppers on a very flat earth for them.

I showed you above how Jesus has no 'being' of his own and can never be the solitary individual. Of course that argument would never fly here and hence they call it "protective stupidity' of the Church that has heaven crammed with Saints that gets the have-nots annoyed to say the least.

Christ was born unto Joseph and they called him Jesus and now the question is: who is him if there was no baby there, but the infancy was real to make the new direction known, which now is back to Eden, and these old worn down eidelons are converted into angels with a new direction now for them.
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care about what is the best explanation. human imagined the gods.
Yes, this is the method described in The Essence of Christianity by Ludwig Feuerbach almost two centuries ago. Feuerbach shows that God is the outward projection of man's inward nature. Anthropologically, to understand all religious ideas as a projection of human imagination upon the world makes complete sense.

But are we not human? Can we through our modern rationality place ourselves above the entire history of our species? We obviously stand in continuity with our genetic heritage. The need to construct myths of the imagination is just as much present today as ever. While some today have capacity to place imagination within an objective scientific framework, complex uncertain scientific problems such as the identity of Jesus Christ continue to require mythic imagination.

The challenge now is to reconstruct our gods on the basis of scientific knowledge. This is what Brodie is doing through his demonstration that Jesus was invented on the basis of Old Testament scripture.

Neil Godfrey provides an illuminating quote:

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To say Jesus did not exist as a historical individual does not mean he has been eliminated. . . . He is not eliminated, but seen in a new way. . . . (After comparing the Copernican revolution that disturbed many people but did not do away with the earth — only leading them to see earth in a different way . . . ) Jesus too loses one aspect of his solidity. But he does not lose his central place. In fact, his central place as ‘an image of the invisible God’ (Col. 1.15) can become clearer than ever.
thanks much appreciated.

the sad thing is that both fundy Christians and Atheists and atheists with little a
all of these does just dismiss what Brodie writes.

As a former strong Atheist find that very odd behavior done by the atheists. .
Good that you explained
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