Ken Brown

Hi Jayrok, yes, Luke 24 is very important in revealing that what Moses wrote has to be "opened" to really see what is written. John also mentions in John 20:9 about "The Scripture" that demands He rise from the dead. Moses wrote that Scripture, and very few even want to look at what Moses wrote.

The Ordinance of the Torah deals with separating a sinner from their sin (and not substitutionally either), and cleansing them from the defilement of death. The Pentateuch & Haftorahs (Hertz) state that this Ordinance is the most mysterious rite in Scripture. It is stated that this rites aim was to purify the defiled, and yet it defiled all those who were in any way connected with the preparation of the ashes and water of purification. It purifies the impure, and at the same time renders impure the pure! So inscrutable was its nature--they said--that even King Solomon in his wisdom despaired of learning the secret meaning of the ritual.

So, look at the Ordinance of the Torah, there is where you will find the suffering, death, burial, and third day resurrection. You will also find that AFTER someone is sprinkled with the ashes (which had living water added to them in the vessel), they were required to be baptized. It's not a coincidence that the whole of the Gospel is veiled within this mysterious ritual (The Foundation of the Torah). KB

Sheshbazzar

I presume you are referring to the ritual in Numbers 19?

It is noteworthy that the sprinkling on the third day did not make them clean. (19:11-12, 16, 19)

And they were not to bathe nor immerse themselves until the seventh day following their defilement. (19)

To associate the details of this Jewish ritual with Christian ideas and rituals of baptism and resurrection is quite the 'pick-this-and-choose-to-ignore-that' stretching exercise.

Pick out the 'three days', but ignore that the defiled remains defiled for still another four days, pick out the 'bathe himself in water' but ignore that even then the one so bathed remains unclean until the evening of the seventh day (19)

How does any of this actually track with christian ideas of baptism? wherein one goes into the water unclean is dunked under, and about three seconds latter is resurrected from that water as being 'clean'?

'bathe himself in water', Do Christian believers accept performing baptisim upon themselves?

Ken Brown

Hi Sheshbazzar, you need to look at things from a 7 day perspective. Each day is as a 1000 years, and the 3rd day sprinkling began with Noah, and obviously, the 7th day sprinkling begins with the Sabbath. There is a microcosm and a macrocosm when you look at this ritual. The microcosm was pictured with the cleansing that occurred with the Believers who could see this process, and the macrocosm will be evident to all when the 8th Day begins.

You need to look at the whole of mankind as Elohim is in the process of cleansing them from death, and separating them from their sin. The Sprinkling (which is Elohim teaching or speaking with mankind) occurs on 2 days, the 3rd day and the 7th day. The 3rd day Sprinkling started with a flood, the 7th day Sprinkling will start with fire. Water and fire cleanses. Does this make any sense to you? KB

Sheshbazzar

No.

aa5874

Well, you should know that there is nothing at all about Jesus in Hebrew Scripture.

That is so very basic. Jewish writings were intended for Jews

Even writers of the Church admitted the Jews claimed Christians shamelessly mis-used their prophetic writings.

[U]Eusebius' Preparation of the Gospel 1.2 There is no evidence at all that the original author of the Jesus story even intended to start any cult.

However, once a Jesus cult was developed by abusing and mutilating Hebrew Scripture there came a time when the cult itself created his OWN Sacred Scripture.

Again, it cannot be assumed that every reference to Scripture in the NT must refer to Hebrew Scripture when the NT itself is the SACRED SCRIPTURE of the Jesus cult.

JoeWallack

JW:
This reminds me of when Richard Jeni, the boy from New York City, did his schtick in the South, and some good ole boy in the back would inevitably stand up and say "Ya'll probably think we're just a bunch of stupid red-neck hicks." How do you answer that.


Joseph

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Sheshbazzar

It will be a wonderful world when time finally passes that magical seven thousand year mark and this Judeo-Christian 'End-Of-The-World' religious horse shit can finally be permanently plowed under.

mountainman

When do you think this Gospel was written, and by whom?

Ken Brown

Hi Sheshbazzar, I can understand your answer, so let me see if I can help you make sense of The Ordinance of the Torah.

First, you must understand that my other thread on The Strong Delusion actually castigates the traditional view of chrisitianity where they have a perfect, innocent, righteous sacrifice dying in their stead. The false gospel of substitutionalism is delusional, it is along the same delusional use of animal sacrifice that the Prophets of old spoke out against...what good does buckets of blood, rams, lambs, and rivers of oil do to persuade Elohim to forgive? Elohim tells us what brings forgiveness, and that is TURNING from sin:

Eze 18:20 - 18:23

(20) The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. (21) But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. (22) All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live. (23) Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Sovereign יהוה: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?

The Ordinance of the Torah was specifically designed to "separate" a sinner from their sin, and to "cleanse" them from the defilement of death. This is where making sense of what Elohim is doing comes into play. How does killing an animal "separate" a sinner from their sin? How does killing and burning an animal cleanse a defiled person from death? I submit to you that killing an animal will never truly bring about a remission of someone's sin. Remission from sin is to "separate" a sinner from their sin, to where the sin is no longer active. Once sin is no longer active in a sinners life, then there is no need to continuing sacrificing. This is the lesson that Elohim wants all sinners to learn, and this is why He has blessed those who have acknowledged their complicity in the murder and sacrifice of The Red Heifer, through the Spiritual Fulfillment of The Ordinance of the Torah.

I hope this further explanation will start to make more sense to you. KB

Ken Brown

Hi mountainman, the Gospel was planned by Elohim before this age began, and certain aspects of the Gospel were written by the Prophets of old, but the revealing of the Gospel did not occur until the two disciples on the road to Emmaus heard it. It took a little verbal hyssop in calling them fools for not believing everything written by the Prophets, but once Moses and those Prophets were "opened" to them, their hearts BURNED within them as they heard the Gospel. Hopefully, this answers your questions. KB