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cohen avshalom · 07-07-2007, 10:12 AM

maybe here is will resolve this question
what was the last name of jesus?
and whitch tribe he was : levi-joudha-or from the 1 of other 10 tribe???
what was hisextended family tribe-name ??

i dont know much of him-only from old movie-i was asking this question in other forum and in this forum and they were been very soon speaking about other subject??

cohen avshalom charly
israel/haifa
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cohen avshalom · 07-07-2007, 12:51 PM

well-you can try more?

Toto · 07-07-2007, 01:54 PM

By the time Jesus is said to have lived, the "tribes" of Israel were lost to history.

The use of "last names" did not start until much later in history, so your title does not make any sense at all.

Jesus might have been known as Jesus ben Joseph, but we never hear of him referred to this before modern times when people tried to reconstruct what he would have referred to in his own time. He is usually referred to as Jesus of Nazareth or Jesus the Nazarene or Jesus Christ.

seven8s · 07-07-2007, 02:09 PM

Quote:

well-you can try more?

Or none? Are you being facetious, or, factitious?

cohen avshalom · 07-08-2007, 04:28 AM

to seven8s- i need that from some program ?

stuart shepherd · 07-08-2007, 11:06 AM

Allow me to toss out some ideas.

Compare the following Scriptures.......
Mark 6:3 (King James Version)
Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.

Matthew 13:55 (King James Version)
Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?

It is widely accepted that Mark's Gospel came first and Matthew based his Gospel on Mark's.

In Mark's Gospel, Jesus is identified as "the carpenter, the son of Mary". When identified as the son of his mother it suggests that he was of illegitimate birth. Sons are usually identified as sons of their father.

Matthew realized this problem of Jesus being a bastard, so he edited Mark's words and identified Jesus as ""the carpenter's son".

If Jesus is a bastard, as I suspect that he is, his tribal affiliation would be his mother's which I think is the tribe of Levi. Mary's cousin was Elisabeth, [Luke 1:36] and Elisabeth was a descendant of AAron of the tribe of Levi.[Luke 1:5]

I think that Jesus, himself, while claiming to be the Messiah, denied that he was of the tribe of Judah, and covered over it with some fancy semantics.
Matthew 22:41-45 (King James Version)
41While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,

42Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.

43He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,

44The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

45If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

stuart shepherd

seven8s · 07-08-2007, 06:46 PM

Quote:

what was the last name of jesus?

Justus.

Edited to add, which is ot to say just us, but justice.

cohen avshalom · 07-09-2007, 04:56 AM

i didnt know that this question is so hard-till i tried to find that name?
no one did bring it -for very fast-only some suggestion
i try to check that name in the bible code-this is program that you can find- thinks that are hiding in the bible-but before that i should have the real name!

and this is apparently not simple question.
i know from wiki-padia that jesus has some reminder at (talmudic) Sanhedrin-source but i dont know a bout Christian source-some one even indicate of reminder in the Zohar (major book of Kabbala).
but i must say this is realy mystery-in that era-usually every trade have few name of big famely-every trade had 4-8 big famely-->that is parallel to last name.well i will look more time till than i hope i will get clue.

cohen avshalom charly
israel/haifa
www.icarus5.com

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cohen avshalom · 07-09-2007, 07:07 AM

ok - i find some trace the true(10 of them)
tell my????
this is only quetion-because i am very ignorant of that subject-from what the program tell my-of the code-there is a baby who was die and then live-apparently somethink in the delivery (of a baby) ?????
do you know somethink a bout this--i am jewish so i am very sorry that i dont know much-in ditial

cohen avshalom charly
israel/haifa
www.icarus5.com

07-07-2007, 10:12 AM	#1
cohen avshalom Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: isreal haifa Posts: 46	what was the real name of jesus??? maybe here is will resolve this question what was the last name of jesus? and whitch tribe he was : levi-joudha-or from the 1 of other 10 tribe??? what was hisextended family tribe-name ?? i dont know much of him-only from old movie-i was asking this question in other forum and in this forum and they were been very soon speaking about other subject?? cohen avshalom charly israel/haifa www.icarus5.com

07-07-2007, 12:51 PM	#2
cohen avshalom Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: isreal haifa Posts: 46	well-you can try more well-you can try more?

07-08-2007, 04:28 AM	#5
cohen avshalom Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: isreal haifa Posts: 46	to seven8s to seven8s- i need that from some program ?

07-09-2007, 04:56 AM	#8
cohen avshalom Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: isreal haifa Posts: 46	i didnt know that this question is so hard i didnt know that this question is so hard-till i tried to find that name? no one did bring it -for very fast-only some suggestion i try to check that name in the bible code-this is program that you can find- thinks that are hiding in the bible-but before that i should have the real name! and this is apparently not simple question. i know from wiki-padia that jesus has some reminder at (talmudic) Sanhedrin-source but i dont know a bout Christian source-some one even indicate of reminder in the Zohar (major book of Kabbala). but i must say this is realy mystery-in that era-usually every trade have few name of big famely-every trade had 4-8 big famely-->that is parallel to last name.well i will look more time till than i hope i will get clue. cohen avshalom charly israel/haifa www.icarus5.com :bulb: :bulb: :bulb: :bulb:

07-09-2007, 07:07 AM	#9
cohen avshalom Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: isreal haifa Posts: 46	ok - i find some trace ok - i find some trace the true(10 of them) tell my???? this is only quetion-because i am very ignorant of that subject-from what the program tell my-of the code-there is a baby who was die and then live-apparently somethink in the delivery (of a baby) ????? do you know somethink a bout this--i am jewish so i am very sorry that i dont know much-in ditial cohen avshalom charly israel/haifa www.icarus5.com

07-07-2007, 01:54 PM	#3
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	By the time Jesus is said to have lived, the "tribes" of Israel were lost to history. The use of "last names" did not start until much later in history, so your title does not make any sense at all. Jesus might have been known as Jesus ben Joseph, but we never hear of him referred to this before modern times when people tried to reconstruct what he would have referred to in his own time. He is usually referred to as Jesus of Nazareth or Jesus the Nazarene or Jesus Christ.

07-08-2007, 11:06 AM	#6
stuart shepherd Regular Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 315	Allow me to toss out some ideas. Compare the following Scriptures....... Mark 6:3 (King James Version) Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him. Matthew 13:55 (King James Version) Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? It is widely accepted that Mark's Gospel came first and Matthew based his Gospel on Mark's. In Mark's Gospel, Jesus is identified as "the carpenter, the son of Mary". When identified as the son of his mother it suggests that he was of illegitimate birth. Sons are usually identified as sons of their father. Matthew realized this problem of Jesus being a bastard, so he edited Mark's words and identified Jesus as ""the carpenter's son". If Jesus is a bastard, as I suspect that he is, his tribal affiliation would be his mother's which I think is the tribe of Levi. Mary's cousin was Elisabeth, [Luke 1:36] and Elisabeth was a descendant of AAron of the tribe of Levi.[Luke 1:5] I think that Jesus, himself, while claiming to be the Messiah, denied that he was of the tribe of Judah, and covered over it with some fancy semantics. Matthew 22:41-45 (King James Version) 41While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, 42Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David. 43He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying, 44The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? 45If David then call him Lord, how is he his son? stuart shepherd

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