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Old 11-16-2012, 08:50 AM   #11
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The Israelites had to kill the Canaanites for idol worship,
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but the Israelites would also be killed for that.
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Deut. 13:13-19 says they were supposed to destroy their own towns if they turned to idols.
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Old 11-16-2012, 09:11 AM   #12
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Exodus 23:27-32 says that G-d was driving them out of the land and not that the main goal was to kill them all off.
if i were to use violence to drive out israelies from israel would that be considered genocide?
is the destruction of peoples culture and forcing them out of their land destruction of a people? what happened if the canaanite got into the way of the israelite? why did yhwh say to the israelites “show them no mercy.”


deuteronomy 7:22 Yhwh your God will clear away these nations before you little by little; you will not be able
to make a quick end of them, otherwise the wild animals would become too numerous for you.

But Yahweh your God will give them over to you, and throw them into great panic, until they are de-
stroyed. He will hand their kings over to you and you shall blot out their name from under heaven;
no one will be able to stand against you, until you have destroyed them.



Moreover, Yahweh your God will send the pesti-lence against them, until even the survivors and the
fugitives are destroyed. Have no dread of them, for Yahweh your God, who is present with you, is a
great and awesome God.



the main goal was to kill them all off
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Old 11-16-2012, 11:06 AM   #13
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the main goal was to kill them all off
and their sheep and their goats and their fruit trees and pregnant women (an early form of highly effective abortion) and anything else that was more or less alive. Set fire to everything else except any gold and silver.
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If the main goal of God was for the Israelites to merely 'drive off' the Canaanites ("The God we worship (and whom you've never heard of) promised us your land, so get out!") and not actually kill them, then why didn't God punish the Israelites for disobeying orders?
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Hector Avalos has an article at Bible and Interpretation:

The New Holocaust Denialists: The Need for a Metacriticism of Biblical Scholarship


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There is a new movement of holocaust denialists, and the prime architects of this movement are biblical scholars. I am speaking not of the Jewish Holocaust under the Nazi regime, but of the Canaanite holocaust reported in biblical texts.

These Canaanite holocaust denialists argue that the Canaanite holocaust did not really happen. And if it did happen, then it was justified and not analogous to the Nazi holocaust.

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Toto, you love posting some real doozies


Israelites never fought Canaanites

Israelites factually evolved from Canaanites




the Canaanite holocaust is a mythical account, why would you post such misinformation from a fringe position?
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Hector Avalos has an article at Bible and Interpretation:

The New Holocaust Denialists: The Need for a Metacriticism of Biblical Scholarship


Toto, you love posting some real doozies


Israelites never fought Canaanites

Israelites factually evolved from Canaanites




the Canaanite holocaust is a mythical account, why would you post such misinformation from a fringe position?
It's a test of your reading comprehension.

As the article, written by a tenured academic, explains, the point is not whether this genocide actually happened. The point is that some people still revere this text and look to it for moral values. The text needs to be analyzed for what it says.

But you would have to actually read the essay to know this.
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I thought back then anihilationof an adversary was the norm.

There is an injunction in the OT for Jews to eradicate a group in a retaliation.
One could say the flood was the ultimate genocide.
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One could say the flood was the ultimate genocide.
Yet another genocide that did not happen, yet people still believe that it did and praise the mass murderer for benevolent action.
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If you believe the wonky exaggerated stories presented by the writers of the Bible, you really must have shit fer brains.

They made up a lot of exaggerated shit and peddled it as political propaganda to scare off their enemies.

YHWH was an inflated team mascot that served as the tribal religions boogieman and scarecrow.

An earlier example of Ronald Regan's 'disinformation' tactics. -Keep people in the dark and feed them lots of bullshit.

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Hector Avalos has an article at Bible and Interpretation:

The New Holocaust Denialists: The Need for a Metacriticism of Biblical Scholarship


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There is a new movement of holocaust denialists, and the prime architects of this movement are biblical scholars. I am speaking not of the Jewish Holocaust under the Nazi regime, but of the Canaanite holocaust reported in biblical texts.

These Canaanite holocaust denialists argue that the Canaanite holocaust did not really happen. And if it did happen, then it was justified and not analogous to the Nazi holocaust.

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I do recall a few years ago reading some piece of drivel from Alvin Plantinga about his attending some seminar on this Biblical genocide problem annd how Christians were to handle this unpleasant problem. This sort of genocide is also known as 'the ban" and also herem. Herem is the word used by scholars investigating this evil Near Eastern practice. With that in mind, the Mesha stele makes interesting reading. And this all makes for somer interesting googling. Recall also that God got mad at king Saul because he disobeyed God and did not kill the Amelkite king and Amelkite cattle as commanded.
This was not then, according to the Bible, something confined to Moses and Joshua, or something that could be claimed to be a misinterpretation. 1 Samuel 15

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