Random Evil Guy

so, what have we got here. first, the old and inane 'fear argument' together with the 'many intellectual atheists' converting in their later years claim. :rolling:

too funny!

Mageth

Why do I need God's forgiveness? What the heck could I ever do that could possibly effect such a "glorious God" in a way that would require me to seek forgiveness from him?

Oh, and I lack belief that such a character actually exists, in any case. So I'm not "rejecting" any imaginary forgiveness from an imaginary character.

Aah, yes. The new, improved approach to Hell - it's not fire and brimstone suffering, just eternally-knowing-you're-separated-from-God-suffereing!

Same thing - suffering - with a softer description that makes it more palatable to the modern Christian.

And along with that, the new, improved modern Christian notion that we "choose" Hell, and that God doesn't condemn us "sinners" to Hell and toss our worthless sinner asses into the flames. Again - same results - just a softer description that makes God not seem like such a bad guy. It's our own fault if we end up in Hell! We chose to go there!

Hell no; I don't choose Hell, however you define it. I lack belief in God, Hell, the whole nine yards. There's nothing for me to choose. There's no choice in front of me for me to make. So don't tell me I choose Hell.

But if it turns out that Hell and God do exist, I still won't choose Hell. I'll tell God to his face that I don't choose to go to Hell, whatever it is. Someone's gonna have to toss my ass in if that's where God wants me to go.

Mageth

Aah, finally! A Christian that admits his "loving" God is going to toss our asses into the fiery furnace for an eternity of suffering unless we grovel at his feet, cover ourselves in his Son's blood, admit we're no better than dogshit, and beg forgiveness! How refreshing! And all because a couple of people ages ago supposedly ate some damn piece of fruit...

What a wonderful story you're selling! The Gospel Message - Accept Jesus! Ask his forgiveness for your sins! Jesus as the ultimate medicine to cure the disease your religion invented! God sacrificed himself to himself to save us from himself! Hallelujah!

Please put your offering in the plate as it passes by...Jesus recommends 10%, but give more if you love Jesus.

Mageth

Oh, BTW, do you suppose there is a reason why so many "intellectual theists", like I once was, in their "later years" rethink the existence of God? And sometimes, like myself, come to disbelieve in God?

(once was theist; I don't claim to have been or to presently be an "intellectual", though I do ponder things a lot)

JGL53

To paraphrase the prison warden in Cool Hand Luke - "What we have here is ....failure to cogitate.� - Also living proof that Sartre was right.

Mageth

And P.T. Barnum?

Clarice O'C

I had three Lutheran pastors, one after the other, who taught that no one goes to 'hell.' Yes, what they said is true. What we have to get over is that 'scripture' is some kind of authority on anything.

mata leao

it is truly humorous when i see atheists trying to lecture us on hell....okay.....and then the hat trick of using liberal theologians to lecture us on hell...as if atheists give credence to liberal theologians!

Wayne Delia

Imagine how funny it is to the atheists when fundamental Christians try to lecture us on hell! Honestly, it is a hoot!

WMD

Joan of Bark

According to Jesus, anyone who blasphemies the Holy Spirit (blasphemy is defined in my dictionary as: "to speak irreverently about something sacred") can NEVER have forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin. Well, I've blasphemied the HS on many occasions, so I'm already doomed with no hope of redemption, and therefore why should I waste my breath asking for forgiveness?

Besides, God gave us floods, tornadoes, earthquakes, polio, malaria and smallpox. He is responsible for more suffering than all the human beings who ever lived. Heck, he should be asking for OUR forgiveness.