Originally Posted by Sheshonq

I'm home now.

I have looked at my copy of the Online Encyclopedia Britannica 2005, Deluxe Edition. And as I expected, there is NOTHING in Encyclopedia Britannica that even comes *close* to what arnoldo is claiming it says:

This is the ONLY sentence in the main article on Tyre:
For much of the 8th and 7th centuries BC the town was subject to Assyria, and in 585–573 it successfully withstood a prolonged siege by the Babylonian king Nebuchadrezzar II.

The ONLY paragraph to mention Tyre from the article Nebuchadnezzar II:
Nebuchadrezzar's further military activities are known not from extant chronicles but from other sources, particularly the Bible, which records another attack on Jerusalem and a siege of Tyre (lasting 13 years, according to the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus) and hints at an invasion of Egypt. The siege of Jerusalem ended in its capture in 587/586 and in the deportation of prominent citizens, with a further deportation in 582. In this respect he followed the methods of his Assyrian predecessors.

So arnoldo is caught red-handed making stuff up and then trying to attribute it to a copyrighted source. I wish I could say that I was surprised. Why is it that christians think that lying is OK, provided it's done for God?

Originally Posted by spin

Not the Phoenicians, just some Phoenicians. It was against Tyre, which was a Phoenician city. There were of course several other Phoenician cities -- you know: Sidon, Byblos, Arwad, Beirut, etc.

Originally Posted by Huguenot

Originally Posted by makerowner

Ez. 26:4 "They shall destroy the walls of Tyre, and break down her towers; and I will scrape her soil from her, and make her a bare rock."
Ez. 26:9-12: "He will direct the shock of his battering rams against your walls, and with his axes he will break down your towers. His horses will be so many that their dust will cover you; your walls will shake at the noise of the horsemen and wagons and chariots, when he enters your gates as one enters a city which has been breached. With the hoofs of his horses he will trample all your streets; he will slay your people with the sword; and your mighty pillars will fall to the ground. They will make a spoil of your riches and a prey of your merchandise; they will break down your walls and destroy your pleasant houses; your stones and timber and soil they will cast into the midst of the waters."

It does in fact seem to be about "a physical set of walls and streets", as well as towers, houses, gates, pillars, etc. Nice try though.

Originally Posted by Sheshonq

In which case it still fails. Either way, it's a dead end for the prophecy.

Originally Posted by deadman_932

Clure? I have a clue that you are cherry picking what part of the prophecy you want to emphasize while you ignore other relevant aspects. Ezekiel clearly predicted that Tyre would be destroyed, become "a bare rock and a place for spreading nets,' and would be built no more forever. By the way, the Phoenicians were not wiped out in 587 BC when Nebuchadrezzar attempts a siege, either. They continued to exist until Alexander comes around 250 years later. And the Phoenicians are still not wiped out, nor is Tyre sunk beneath the sea , etc. etc. Phoenicians at Tyre become self-ruling in 126 BC, for instance. The Phoenicians become the Carthaginians that don't fall to Rome until the end of the Punic Wars at 146 BC., and even then they don't vanish...so HOW the hell did Ezekiel apply to JUST the Phoenician peoples?

So what part of this did you miss, Huguenot? Should I use smaller words in case you only speak Flemish fluently?

Originally Posted by makerowner

You know, posting the same shit over and over again doesn't make it right.

Wrong: "For thus says the Lord GOD: Behold, I will bring upon Tyre from the north Nebuchadrez'zar king of Babylon, king of kings, with horses and chariots, and with horsemen and a host of many soldiers. He will slay with the sword your daughters on the mainland; he will set up a siege wall against you, and throw up a mound against you, and raise a roof of shields against you. He will direct the shock of his battering rams against your walls, and with his axes he will break down your towers. His horses will be so many that their dust will cover you; your walls will shake at the noise of the horsemen and wagons and chariots, when he enters your gates as one enters a city which has been breached. With the hoofs of his horses he will trample all your streets; he will slay your people with the sword; and your mighty pillars will fall to the ground." (Ez. 26:7-11 RSV)